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mysticmama · 09/14/2009 4:56 pm

I do a lot of work behind the scenes with newer squids...
and though in all reality I am still by most standards a newer squid myself...
Being my outspoken self...and a Giant & a RocketMom...
I really don't consider myself a newbie anymore and I doubt anyone else thinks of me that way...

So here is the thing...
I recently received an e-mail from a newer Squid asking me why most of the "Giants"
and more established Squids are so....

Rude * Self-righteous * Prudes *

This baby squid wanted to know why Giants are so mean, critical and judgmental?

So here is my challenge to all of my fellow Giants...
Are you paying attention to how you are presenting yourself here in the forum?

Are you behaving in a way that is friendly and helpful to our newer Squids?

Are you being the best role model you can be to our newer members?

I wouldn't have even posted this, but I've received 3 e-mails in the past week from 3 different newer Squids that I've been helping along...
and all 3 asked me why the Giants are so stuck up and mean...

This is not a good way for us (as Giants) to be presenting ourselves to our newer members

When I was new... which really was less than a year ago... this forum was a lot different
people were really friendly and helpful to me as a new Squid and that is a big reason why I work so hard to be welcoming & help new members...

So... next time you post, think first... is this helpful or hurtful...

am I being judge mental?

Because, people are watching

Ps... and I do realize the irony of me being the one to make this post...I know I am very outspoken and a bit controversial myself... so consider this... if people are complaining to me about "Giants behaving badly" then it must be something

edited for spelling lol

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Trekkiemelissa · 09/14/2009 6:12 pm

I don't think all giants are like they. They may have just across some that are not willing to help others out. I personally feel that giants should be helping the new lensmaster out as much as we can. I am far from prefect, but I try to go and help new lensmaster as I can. I think the best thing that we can do as giants is to coach these new people when we can. I coach over at team one for this upcoming challenge. Some of these people have come a long way and are on their way to becoming giants. I took a lot of what I learned and tried to teach them things that I was taught.

thewishpearl · 09/14/2009 6:28 pm

When I was a newbie, I felt very welcome by lensmasters including the giant squids. I don't recall anyone ever being rude or snobbish. I am on the JJJ team for the challenge and they are all so helpful. I have nothing but praise for all the giants I have come to know.

BFuniv.com · 09/14/2009 6:44 pm

With the written word it is so easy to mean one thing, and come off as saying something else. Some day we will be able to look each other in the eye and avoid many misunderstandings. I hope that is the cause of many comments perceived as rude. If I come across as snobby it's because I don't like to converse in forums, but they are so effective I try anyway. I'm an eyeball to eyeball kinda guy.

Newbee or experienced, we all need help.

Ramkitten · 09/14/2009 7:01 pm

I never experienced any rudeness, from Giants or otherwise, on Squidoo, SquidU or elsewhere. That doesn't mean everything is always warm and fuzzy, but what people have apparently been describing to you hasn't been what I've witnessed.

I do think that sometimes people don't like the critiques they get when they ask for them--the honest and, yes, sometimes blunt feedback--but, if that's the problem or part of it, is it better that people sugar-coat their feedback? Or is the truth better, as hard as it may be to hear? Is this even what they're referring to?

I also think that, on occasion, new folks jump in here and on other social sites in a very self-promotional way and don't like the response (or lack thereof). I mean, SOMEtimes, we see several posts in several threads all by the same new person and all about the same lens, so it comes off as spammy. They probably don't mean it and don't realize it, but sometimes they're told ... and that doesn't always feel good. Maybe that's not part of the complaints, I don't know. Just babbling here.

But it's difficult to know how to respond without more specific examples (and I DON'T mean naming names, of course).

Not to belittle anyone's feelings, but I do think that sometimes, when you're new and not "part of the IN crowd" yet--or at least that's how it might feel--it's possible to view people who have been around a while as snobby or unfriendly. We were all new at one time or another, and it's easy to feel a bit left out, I guess. Perception is a big thing. And BF is right--it's sometimes hard to convey tone or true intentions in writing. I think that's why we use those little smiley faces so much.

Anyhow, are these just generic statements people are making, or do they have specific grievances?

kitty222 · 09/14/2009 7:57 pm

Well, I'm not a Giant Squid and I'm a relative newcomer myself, but I do occasionally try to visit other new squids' lenses. And, yes, sometimes I do post critiques that can come off as harsh. But, as I try to tell them, nobody's first Lens is perfect. Mine sure wasn't and I still occasionally make tweaks to it when I'm not busy making new lenses.

lou16 · 09/14/2009 10:50 pm

I think sometimes it's just the way different people use language, after all we are an international bunch here. When I was new I remember feeling quite offended by a 'giant' I just ignored it and looked at what other people had posted. As I saw more and more posts by this person I realised that what had been posted wasn't meant to be mean at all it was just a language thing.....you'd think after living in 3 different countries I'd be used to that, but.. .

I always try to be helpful, I sometimes get emailed with questions from 'fresh squid' and I always try and answer them nicely because to be honest there is so much knowledge here that even though I'm in the 100 club I still feel like a newbie in lots of ways myself.

I have deleted many a post before hitting publish because I'm unsure if my 'humour' will come across the way it's intended, some people will just post without thinking that others may interpret their comments differently to how they were meant.

Cherrybomb2009 · 09/15/2009 1:34 am

I've only been here since the beginning of August, so I'm definitely a newbie. The only time I can recall any Squid being rude to me so far is when I made a comment-- and half-jokingly mind you, with a smiley face included even-- about a lot of the register dates saying 12/31/1969 and wondering if Squidoo would fix it. The comment I got back was "I think Squidoo has better things to worry about than that." No smiley face or anything. But I brushed it off as one rude Squid out of a large group.

However, I DID hear about a fellow Squid contact a Giant Squid to let them know they had featured or written something about one of their lenses on thir own lens. Instead of a thank you, they got reported. If I can find that thread again, I'll link to it so you can get all the details (except who the Giant Squid was, of course-- that wasn't given away). I'll be honest though-- after hearing about that one incident, I have no intention of contacting any Giant Squids until I become one myself, as Giant Squids do have more power around here.

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CDT · 09/15/2009 1:49 am

Cherrybomb2009 wrote:
...I have no intention of contacting any Giant Squids until I become one myself, as Giant Squids do have more power around here.

They do?

I'm a Giant Squid and certainly don't think I have any "more power" than anyone else :I

Sure, Giant Squids get a few "perks" such as "greenlighting" for the spam filter and WIP, Purple Stars and being trusted not to produce spammy lenses and are exempt from the outgoing links limit, but that's about it

Like anything in life, you get some people who are just "up themselves" (as we say in the UK) and I guess being a Giant is no exception

If you ever felt the need to contact a Giant Squid who doesn't believe that having 50+ decent lenses and a label to say so is any excuse to be superior, rude or arrogant, then feel free to contact me - and in my experience you'll find that the overwhelming majority of Giants are cool and quite ordinary and down to earth, so I wouldn't let one "horror story" put you off all the Giants

Trekkiemelissa · 09/15/2009 2:15 am

Cherrybomb2009 wrote:
I've only been here since the beginning of August, so I'm definitely a newbie. The only time I can recall any Squid being rude to me so far is when I made a comment-- and half-jokingly mind you, with a smiley face included even-- about a lot of the register dates saying 12/31/1969 and wondering if Squidoo would fix it. The comment I got back was "I think Squidoo has better things to worry about than that." No smiley face or anything. But I brushed it off as one rude Squid out of a large group.

However, I DID hear about a fellow Squid contact a Giant Squid to let them know they had featured or written something about one of their lenses on thir own lens. Instead of a thank you, they got reported. If I can find that thread again, I'll link to it so you can get all the details (except who the Giant Squid was, of course-- that wasn't given away). I'll be honest though-- after hearing about that one incident, I have no intention of contacting any Giant Squids until I become one myself, as Giant Squids do have more power around here.

Like CDT said. I am more than happy to help you if I can. A lot of giants are really cool here and are more than happy to help you if we can. Don't let that one incident deter you from contacting a giant. We are just like everyone else and some of us remember what it was like when we were not a giant. I remember which thread that was so no worries there. Don't hesitate to contact me if you need any help too. I won't bite. I promise

Cherrybomb2009 · 09/15/2009 2:16 am

You know what? For a second I was thinking about the Squid Angels as well, and ended up writing down the thing about them having a lot of power. Got it mixed up, my bad! There was another separate incident where someone's lens got dinged by a Squid Angel or so they thought, and they didn't know why. And of course, the Angels don't have to justify why they blessed or dinged a lens. They can do it anonymously. I know the dings and the blessings wear off after however long. But thinking of blessings as only being beneficial to a lens for so long before dropping again in ranking, or thinking of dings as dropping your lens in rank for a bit and not being able to pull it out of that hole, I'd rather not have any Squid Angels looking at my lenses, let alone contact them. Let me work on whatever needs worked on, KNOW what it is that needs worked on, and let it be me alone that's responsible for my ranking due to the quality of my lenses. The Squid Angels are the ones I was thinking of that have quite a bit of power when it comes to that.

But, that being said, I'm still not 100% comfortable contacting most Giant Squids- aside from CDT and TrekkieMelissa (and the few that I just realized are actually in my fan club)! Maybe that will change over time...but thanks to you both CDT and TrekkieMelissa. I will definitely be taking advantage of your expertise in the (near) future...

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Trekkiemelissa · 09/15/2009 2:27 am

Yeah, we have had a discussion about both recently. Is the system perfect? It is not. As you get to know some of the giants, you will probably learn which ones you are more comfortable contacting. Some you may like better than others. We are all people just like you with a few extra perks.

Kate-Phizackerley · 09/15/2009 3:39 am

Actually what gets me is the messages of "help" on Squidu which are really just adverts for a lens. Sometimes the only way to answer is to point to a lens but all too often messages in Critique Me, while using "nice" language, come across as adverts and not genuine helpfulness.

Taking a leaf out of Jaguar Julie's book, we need to develop two faces for Giants. We have our public profiles, but they are there for marketing purposes. Many Giants are happy to help, but we all have those we will help and those we won't. For instance I won't help lensmasters who use Clickbank etc because I hate it and think that it makes Squidoo looks trashy, but I do spend time writing responses to people in the Help section and try to review a couple of lenses most days in Critique. We need separate faces which explain what help we are happy to give and to whom - and judging by some recent posts on Squidu, when we are happy to be contacted. I'll draft a profile for myself as soon as it's agreed where they are going.

That also needs - as with Angels' profiles - to give some sort of clue as to personality. Many Giants are robust - what somebody recently described as alpha females. That's me. If somebody asks me if I like their new hairstyle, they will get an honest answer because if I don't say when I dislike it, then an compliments I give are completely undermined. There are other giants who would always find something nice to say. That's just different styles and approaches to life. Both are fine but there is an issue at present because I don't think newcomers are looking at the nature of Giants but are assuming we are all the same. Big, big mistake. Newcomers need to do much more work to profile Giants but a) we need to suggest they do that - it ought to be in a Sticky in Critique Me and b) we need to make the information about us as Giants (not as lensmasters) more available.

There used to be a system of mentors but it seems to have died. I'm very happy to spend time mentoring, but I'd be choosy about who I was willing to help. If somebody is writing lenses with a lot of orginal text with a minimal ad burden (ie not lenses stuffed full of Amazone modules, or with affilliate links) then I'm happy to help. I'd be particularly interested in scientific subjects, history or art. Essentially lensmasters with an academic bent.

Ideally we'd have a Squidoo Group of Giants that are happy to mentor, but if the interest is there I am happy to start a "Which Giants will act as mentors?" lens and feature a Giant's profile from anybody who wants to write a lens about what they are willing to offer in terms of mentoring and help. That would steer newcomers both towards the Giants who are willing to help, and give them a better idea of our personalitties and interests.

Kate

PS Equally, I think the Giants section of the forum needs a major overhaul to get proper discussion between Giants going here, and not elsewhere as happens at present.

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JaguarJulie · 09/15/2009 5:13 am

Ramkitten wrote:
I never experienced any rudeness, from Giants or otherwise, on Squidoo, SquidU or elsewhere. That doesn't mean everything is always warm and fuzzy, but what people have apparently been describing to you hasn't been what I've witnessed.

I do think that sometimes people don't like the critiques they get when they ask for them--the honest and, yes, sometimes blunt feedback--but, if that's the problem or part of it, is it better that people sugar-coat their feedback? Or is the truth better, as hard as it may be to hear? Is this even what they're referring to?

I also think that, on occasion, new folks jump in here and on other social sites in a very self-promotional way and don't like the response (or lack thereof). I mean, SOMEtimes, we see several posts in several threads all by the same new person and all about the same lens, so it comes off as spammy. They probably don't mean it and don't realize it, but sometimes they're told ... and that doesn't always feel good. Maybe that's not part of the complaints, I don't know. Just babbling here.

But it's difficult to know how to respond without more specific examples (and I DON'T mean naming names, of course).

Not to belittle anyone's feelings, but I do think that sometimes, when you're new and not "part of the IN crowd" yet--or at least that's how it might feel--it's possible to view people who have been around a while as snobby or unfriendly. We were all new at one time or another, and it's easy to feel a bit left out, I guess. Perception is a big thing. And BF is right--it's sometimes hard to convey tone or true intentions in writing. I think that's why we use those little smiley faces so much.

Anyhow, are these just generic statements people are making, or do they have specific grievances?

This is very insightful.

ChapelHillFiddler · 09/15/2009 5:24 am

I'd be very curious to hear more about these complaints you received, without context it's hard to figure out if the email-writer was genuinely irritating in some way, or if the email-receivers were genuinely obnoxious for no good reason.

Trekkiemelissa · 09/15/2009 7:54 am

Kate-Phizackerley wrote:
There used to be a system of mentors but it seems to have died. I'm very happy to spend time mentoring, but I'd be choosy about who I was willing to help. If somebody is writing lenses with a lot of orginal text with a minimal ad burden (ie not lenses stuffed full of Amazone modules, or with affilliate links) then I'm happy to help. I'd be particularly interested in scientific subjects, history or art. Essentially lensmasters with an academic bent.

There still are actual mentors which are called Citizen squids. All are giants.
http://www.squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=29354
http://www.squidoo.com/citizen-squid-mentors

At the guestbook part of that lens, you can suggest other areas to be a mentor in.

mysticmama · 09/15/2009 8:00 am

ChapelHillFiddler wrote:
I'd be very curious to hear more about these complaints you received, without context it's hard to figure out if the email-writer was genuinely irritating in some way, or if the email-receivers were genuinely obnoxious for no good reason.

Sorry, it took me so long to get back to this thread...but I was sleeping lol

To clarify... none of the e-mails I recieved had anything at all to do with feedback from the "critique" section
these e-mails were from newer squids that I have been helping for a couple of months now...
who have been expressing concerns about not feeling comfortable in the forum

This post is by no means a blanket statement about Giants...
I've explained to my little buddies that a majority of the Giants are busy on Ning Groups and haven't had time for the forum lately

I should mention that these people are not members of Ning Groups
So they don't have that positive group experience, and I think that there are a lot of new squids out there that are not members of these groups...
that don't have the benefit of a whole group behind them...

These are the people who are new, and feeling overwhelmed and I think maybe because there are all these "groups" that the solitary squids are having a harder time feeling welcomed...

My post was asking that when we post, we remember that new squids are watching us...
looking to us for leadership and support and that we all just keep that in mind
especially when we are responding to questions or concerns from our newer squids

mysticmama · 09/15/2009 8:14 am

Ramkitten wrote:
I never experienced any rudeness, from Giants or otherwise, on Squidoo, SquidU or elsewhere. That doesn't mean everything is always warm and fuzzy, but what people have apparently been describing to you hasn't been what I've witnessed.

I do think that sometimes people don't like the critiques they get when they ask for them--the honest and, yes, sometimes blunt feedback--but, if that's the problem or part of it, is it better that people sugar-coat their feedback? Or is the truth better, as hard as it may be to hear? Is this even what they're referring to?

I also think that, on occasion, new folks jump in here and on other social sites in a very self-promotional way and don't like the response (or lack thereof). I mean, SOMEtimes, we see several posts in several threads all by the same new person and all about the same lens, so it comes off as spammy. They probably don't mean it and don't realize it, but sometimes they're told ... and that doesn't always feel good. Maybe that's not part of the complaints, I don't know. Just babbling here.

But it's difficult to know how to respond without more specific examples (and I DON'T mean naming names, of course).

Not to belittle anyone's feelings, but I do think that sometimes, when you're new and not "part of the IN crowd" yet--or at least that's how it might feel--it's possible to view people who have been around a while as snobby or unfriendly. We were all new at one time or another, and it's easy to feel a bit left out, I guess. Perception is a big thing. And BF is right--it's sometimes hard to convey tone or true intentions in writing. I think that's why we use those little smiley faces so much.

Anyhow, are these just generic statements people are making, or do they have specific grievances?

See Deb... you and I had tons of support when we first started...
we were on a team and had a whole group of peers giving us support...

But, not everyone gets invited to join these groups... and I think it's important for us to remember that...
and remember what it was like to be new and confused, but really excited about Squidoo...

What if no one had reached out to you?
Obviously, the people I'm talking about have been reached out to by me... but there are hundreds of new squids who are not in the ning groups...
who are just swimming along and trying to tread water... a lot of them visit the forum, read but never comment
these are the people we need to consider when we make posts
how are we presenting ourselves to the shy girl in the corner?
Are we presenting ourselves as someone who is approachable and willing to help?
or are we acting like the snotty popular girl?

Ps... I was vague and generic on purpose, there are no specific grievences...
I just wanted us all... myself included to remember that how we present ourselves matters

Kate-Phizackerley · 09/15/2009 8:25 am

mysticmama wrote:
See Deb... you and I had tons of support when we first started...
we were on a team and had a whole group of peers giving us support...

But, not everyone gets invited to join these groups... and I think it's important for us to remember that...
and remember what it was like to be new and confused, but really excited about Squidoo...

What if no one had reached out to you?
Obviously, the people I'm talking about have been reached out to by me... but there are hundreds of new squids who are not in the ning groups...
who are just swimming along and trying to tread water... a lot of them visit the forum, read but never comment
these are the people we need to consider when we make posts
how are we presenting ourselves to the shy girl in the corner?
Are we presenting ourselves as someone who is approachable and willing to help?
or are we acting like the snotty popular girl?

Ps... I was vague and generic on purpose, there are no specific grievences...
I just wanted us all... myself included to remember that how we present ourselves matters

I've been saying for a time that the groups were a mistake.

Kate

SpellOutloud · 09/15/2009 8:35 am

Well I'm a newbie who kind of keeps to herself just because I don't like bothering anyone! Anyway, I'm a little confused about the groups. I know that the groups function here on Squidoo is on hold, but I'm curious about the Ning groups. How do you find out about those? I'm on a few hobby-related Ning groups so I know how they work. I just haven't heard about any Squidoo ones.

mysticmama · 09/15/2009 8:37 am

Kate-Phizackerley wrote:
mysticmama wrote:
See Deb... you and I had tons of support when we first started...
we were on a team and had a whole group of peers giving us support...

But, not everyone gets invited to join these groups... and I think it's important for us to remember that...
and remember what it was like to be new and confused, but really excited about Squidoo...

What if no one had reached out to you?
Obviously, the people I'm talking about have been reached out to by me... but there are hundreds of new squids who are not in the ning groups...
who are just swimming along and trying to tread water... a lot of them visit the forum, read but never comment
these are the people we need to consider when we make posts
how are we presenting ourselves to the shy girl in the corner?
Are we presenting ourselves as someone who is approachable and willing to help?
or are we acting like the snotty popular girl?

Ps... I was vague and generic on purpose, there are no specific grievences...
I just wanted us all... myself included to remember that how we present ourselves matters
I've been saying for a time that the groups were a mistake.

Kate

I am by no means saying that the groups are a mistake...
the groups are a wonderful and amazing opportunity for all of us
I belong to RocketMoms and was on the Wiwon team & both groups are fantastic

My only point is that those of us who are in groups remember that there are lots of new squids who are not
that they do not have big groups giving them support, so as Giants we need to be there for them also

Ramkitten · 09/15/2009 8:39 am

I hear ya. I just want to clarify, though ... I wasn't part of any group for a long time. Not until I had quite a few lenses (30 or more) and had been around a while. I guess I just didn't expect anyone to "reach out" to me, to be honest. Given what the website appeared to be for--making web pages to, hopefully, make some extra money, have another outlet for writing, and to maybe generate extra traffic for my other websites, it didn't (at first) strike me as a place where there would be so much community. Then I found out what a great community it IS, and it was a wonderful surprise. But that had nothing to do with any ning groups or Squidoo-related forums other than this one. And I had to make the effort to get involved.

I guess I'm just used to having to make my own way into groups/communities without people going out of their way to draw me in and mentor me. It's great that that's what often happens here--and, for my part, I try to answer questions in the forums, give honest but tactful critiques, and always respond if someone contacts me directly (happy to!)--but it wasn't something I expected, myself.

As for groups, I've just come to accept that I can't be part of every group, and that's fine with me. In fact, when it comes to Squidoo, the main community--and I consider this the main forum--is my favorite, and I'm spending less time in others. That's not to say I don't REALLY like a lot of lensmasters in those other sub-groups and have gotten a lot out of them (some more than others), but I just can't juggle it all effectively.

Besides, here we can interact with the Squidoo community at large, and I like that.

Oh, shoot, gonna be late for Jazzercise. Gotta fly! Bye for now!

mysticmama · 09/15/2009 8:46 am

SpellOutloud wrote:
Well I'm a newbie who kind of keeps to herself just because I don't like bothering anyone! Anyway, I'm a little confused about the groups. I know that the groups function here on Squidoo is on hold, but I'm curious about the Ning groups. How do you find out about those? I'm on a few hobby-related Ning groups so I know how they work. I just haven't heard about any Squidoo ones.

a lot of the Ning groups are by invitation like RocketMoms
others are part of the Giant Squid Challenge, where you join one of the teams to work toward becoming a giant

The challenge teams are wonderful and offer a lot of support
you can join with only one lens made & get support from your team for however long it takes to become a giant
I think this is a wonderful opportunity for new squids and if I was new I would join a team
you can find the team info here : http://www.squidoo.com/greeter-challenge-september-2009

The current challenge ends at the end of September...
but the teams will roll over to the next challenge ending the end of December

For Seniors there is a Ning group called Senior Squids,
I think you just have to be over 50 to join

For the boys there is Factor Y... and I'm not sure, but I think you just need to be a male to join

I think the Ning groups are replacing the old groups and that is a good thing
the Ning groups are fantastic

Kate-Phizackerley · 09/15/2009 8:47 am

Trekkiemelissa wrote:
Kate-Phizackerley wrote:
There used to be a system of mentors but it seems to have died. I'm very happy to spend time mentoring, but I'd be choosy about who I was willing to help. If somebody is writing lenses with a lot of orginal text with a minimal ad burden (ie not lenses stuffed full of Amazone modules, or with affilliate links) then I'm happy to help. I'd be particularly interested in scientific subjects, history or art. Essentially lensmasters with an academic bent.
There still are actual mentors which are called Citizen squids. All are giants.
http://www.squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=29354
http://www.squidoo.com/citizen-squid-mentors

At the guestbook part of that lens, you can suggest other areas to be a mentor in.

Thanks and done!

Kate

Kate-Phizackerley · 09/15/2009 8:56 am

mysticmama wrote:
For Seniors there is a Ning group called Senior Squids,
I think you just have to be over 50 to join

For the boys there is Factor Y... and I'm not sure, but I think you just need to be a male to join

I think the Ning groups are replacing the old groups and that is a good thing
the Ning groups are fantastic

I still think the point being made though is that the groups have diluted the main community and caused the problem you have highlighted in this thread. That said, since they are here to stay I may join one. Since I'm not eliglble to join Factor Y (not a boy), Seniors (not old enough) or Rocketmoms (not a mother) I may have to start one. If I do it will not be based on a demographic. I thought we moved beyond such practices in the 21st century. I'll probably start an open one for history writers. As you say, they are replacing the old Squidoo groups so the natural thing to do is to take one's area of interest and translate it into a Ning group.

Kate

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