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#1 05/18/2006 8:52 pm

adaptiveanimal
Cuttlefish. Just browsing.
From: DC
Registered: 05/09/2006
Posts: 7

ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

I've been a member for a week and these are the two lenses I like the best so far.  I'd be happy to hear any suggestions, insults, or kudos.


http://www.squidoo.com/tool/
http://www.squidoo.com/49ers/

Thanks!
DM

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#2 05/19/2006 4:20 am

wuming1
Got yer sea legs
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 71

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Uhm... I think you should devote the first module to explaining what Tool is about, who they are etc. Not everybody is in the know... The link to the official website, where we are supposed to find the basic info we need, is buried into a heap of other links, in the middle of the page...

Last edited by wuming1 (05/19/2006 4:21 am)


Wu Ming Foundation. Slightly more than expected from a band of novelists.
My lenses:
Wu Ming Foundation & Luther Blissett project
Italian Soccer and its Nightmares

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#3 05/19/2006 4:40 am

Skef
Landlubber.
Registered: 11/09/2005
Posts: 24

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

The Tool lens definitely needs:
- a selection of the best 2 or 3 Tool albums, so I know what to buy at Amazon. If you include a short review of the album, that would be great too.
- some (live) pictures of the band (Flickr?)
- a short bio of the band (Write module)
- and, I agree with Wu Ming, a better introduction

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#4 05/19/2006 9:26 am

heathrow
Lensmaster in Chief
From: Irvington, NY
Registered: 10/17/2005
Posts: 979

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Great feedback!

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#5 05/19/2006 7:50 pm

adaptiveanimal
Cuttlefish. Just browsing.
From: DC
Registered: 05/09/2006
Posts: 7

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

I must agree with Heath, it is great feedback.  Thank you for the suggestions! 

Wu Ming, you are right, I do need to explain who they are, one common theme I've noticed in all my lenses is that they're all a bit weak in the intro department.  I will work on it.   I've noticed that my first instinct when making a lens is to put in as much info as possible, which makes things pretty cluttered.  Editing and deciding what to take out is definitely the hardest part for me.

Skef, I agree, reviews would definitely be helpful.  I guess I just got lazy.  I had some flickr pix up but for some reason they stopped showing up for a couple of days and I couldn't get them to come back up until today.  Hopefully they'll hang around for a while.

On a side note, one thing I like about Squidoo is that it makes you focus on what is really essential to a topic and how to organize it so someone with no prior knowledge can get a grip on it.  This is a good excercise for a scatterbrain like myself.

Thanks to you both!  I'll be sure to rate a couple of each of your lenses for your time.

DM

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#6 05/24/2006 4:07 pm

adaptiveanimal
Cuttlefish. Just browsing.
From: DC
Registered: 05/09/2006
Posts: 7

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

I made the changes.  Thanks again for your input!

http://www.squidoo.com/tool/

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#7 05/24/2006 8:14 pm

Catana
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

I've evolved a working method that's helping me get my lenses organized before I even start plugging stuff into the workshop. All my ideas for a lens go into a text file. I just pile them in until I have a good mess to work with. Then I start moving them around as they seem to develop into categories. Once I see some categories developing, I create titles (subject to change, but good enough to keep me focused.) Once I have the titles, it becomes clearer where everything belongs, whether ideas are being developed fully, and what I need to make them more useful. That also lets me see whether some categories might not have enough content.

Hope that gives you a little bit of a hand.

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#8 05/25/2006 5:17 am

adaptiveanimal
Cuttlefish. Just browsing.
From: DC
Registered: 05/09/2006
Posts: 7

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Catana wrote:

I've evolved a working method that's helping me get my lenses organized before I even start plugging stuff into the workshop. All my ideas for a lens go into a text file. I just pile them in until I have a good mess to work with. Then I start moving them around as they seem to develop into categories. Once I see some categories developing, I create titles (subject to change, but good enough to keep me focused.) Once I have the titles, it becomes clearer where everything belongs, whether ideas are being developed fully, and what I need to make them more useful. That also lets me see whether some categories might not have enough content.

Hope that gives you a little bit of a hand.

It definitely helps.  That is kind of what I have started to do for my new lenses.  It really cuts down on the time just getting the modules organized.  Thanks!

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#9 05/25/2006 6:43 am

anneeasterling
First mate
Registered: 05/11/2006
Posts: 351

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Catana wrote:

I've evolved a working method that's helping me get my lenses organized before I even start plugging stuff into the workshop. All my ideas for a lens go into a text file. I just pile them in until I have a good mess to work with. Then I start moving them around as they seem to develop into categories. Once I see some categories developing, I create titles (subject to change, but good enough to keep me focused.) Once I have the titles, it becomes clearer where everything belongs, whether ideas are being developed fully, and what I need to make them more useful. That also lets me see whether some categories might not have enough content.

Hope that gives you a little bit of a hand.

What a great message! For those of us who write, this should be second nature (or should be anyway). But it is easy to get off track. Thanks for giving such a clear structure to the lens development process.

May I make one addition: The title-writing step is the process of establishing a purpose for that module. The structure of the modules themselves help this process. Be sure that you are using the right module for the purpose and content.

Happy day,
Anne

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#10 05/28/2006 10:01 pm

Einsteinium
Landlubber.
Registered: 04/20/2006
Posts: 31

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Catana wrote:

I've evolved a working method that's helping me get my lenses organized before I even start plugging stuff into the workshop. All my ideas for a lens go into a text file. I just pile them in until I have a good mess to work with. Then I start moving them around as they seem to develop into categories. Once I see some categories developing, I create titles (subject to change, but good enough to keep me focused.) Once I have the titles, it becomes clearer where everything belongs, whether ideas are being developed fully, and what I need to make them more useful. That also lets me see whether some categories might not have enough content.

Hope that gives you a little bit of a hand.

It would also be great if there were a way in Squidoo to do this after you have already made the modules.  Perhaps there is a way and I just haven't found it, but it is very tedious to move a module from the bottom of the page to the top. Why is there not a way to do this the way you can when you first make the module?  And if you want to move a link from one module to the next, forget about it - you can't.  That is very frustrating but it makes what you say all the more relevant. Good tip!

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#11 05/29/2006 12:06 am

baretree
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
From: Portland, Oregon
Registered: 04/15/2006
Posts: 159

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Einsteinium - I found this to be a quick and easy way to re-order modules: While in Edit Lens mode click on Add Modules, then click on Preview Lens Layout. You can easily drag the modules into the order you want. It's much faster and easier to see what you're doing than trying to do it in the lens itself.

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#12 05/29/2006 1:47 am

jeffryv
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 1737

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Hi Einsteinium
    J.

Hope this helps
A visual to match Barries post,

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7355/sort1qs.jpg

Last edited by jeffryv (05/29/2006 1:49 am)

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#13 05/29/2006 7:56 am

baretree
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
From: Portland, Oregon
Registered: 04/15/2006
Posts: 159

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Jeffry - Maybe we should team up on a 'how to' lens!

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#14 05/29/2006 9:33 am

relache
Indubitably tentacular
From: Seattle, WA
Registered: 04/10/2006
Posts: 2390

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

There's also that button right next to "add modules" that reads "reorder modules."  I tend to use that one a lot more than the "preview lens layout" when you add a module.


“If the cut of the costume indicates intellect and talent, then the color indicates temper and heart. - Thomas Carlyle

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#15 05/29/2006 11:12 am

baretree
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
From: Portland, Oregon
Registered: 04/15/2006
Posts: 159

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Rachel - How do you use it? Whenever I click on it nothing seems to happen. Barrie

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#16 05/29/2006 12:46 pm

Catana
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

baretree wrote:

Jeffry - Maybe we should team up on a 'how to' lens!

Barry, I'm working on one right now. Hope to have it up this evening or tomorrow.

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#17 05/29/2006 12:50 pm

Catana
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Reorder Modules is just an open and close button. It collapses the modules so that only the titles show. You can skim around more quickly that way, and don't have to drag modules over long distances to reorder them. Do your rearranging, click on Reorder Modules again, and they're all open.

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#18 05/29/2006 4:01 pm

jeffryv
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 1737

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

"Rachel - How do you use it? Whenever I click on it nothing seems to happen. Barrie"

Hi Barrie

Click "Reorder" button you can then, click on any Module Title bar and HOLD mouse button down in order to move module.

Cheers
Jeff

Last edited by jeffryv (05/29/2006 4:05 pm)

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#19 05/29/2006 6:43 pm

relache
Indubitably tentacular
From: Seattle, WA
Registered: 04/10/2006
Posts: 2390

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

baretree wrote:

Rachel - How do you use it? Whenever I click on it nothing seems to happen. Barrie

What I see when I click on it is that all my modules collapse down to just their titles.  Then they become instantly mobile, and I drag and drop them to my heart's content.  And since they collapse down, it's easy to see most or all of the larger modules at once for editing.

Then I hit "save as draft" or "publish" when I'm done.


“If the cut of the costume indicates intellect and talent, then the color indicates temper and heart. - Thomas Carlyle

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#20 06/17/2006 1:12 pm

Einsteinium
Landlubber.
Registered: 04/20/2006
Posts: 31

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

It would be helpful to remember that I actually asked a question!  I'm sorry for the lack of response until now, but I would like to thank you all (Baretree, Jeffry, Catana, and Rachel) for your responses. I have to go with Rachel on this one - that way is def faster for me. So thanks again!

All Things Dr Pepper
Reform Synagogues in Manhattan

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#21 06/18/2006 7:59 pm

rvengosh
Got yer sea legs
Registered: 02/10/2006
Posts: 87

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

BTW, Einsteinium, great choice of a name.... atomic weight 99... not as good at Molybdenum, atomic weight 42, but nobody's perfect... :-)

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#22 07/20/2006 5:19 am

supermom_in_ny
Cuttlefish. Just browsing.
Registered: 05/11/2006
Posts: 11

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

I just started re-designing my lens.  I have to admit that I didn't "get it" when I first joined.  I decided to look at the top ten and had an "AHA!!!!" moment. 

Before I continue adding all the modules, I was wondering if some of you would give me some feedback.  Tell me what you think.  I don't need to tell you to be honest.  I read the thread, brutal honesty is what you are all about...

Thank you all very much, your feedback will be greatly appreciated!
Make Money Online  I hope I used the right tags...

Last edited by supermom_in_ny (07/20/2006 5:23 am)

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#23 07/20/2006 10:13 am

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Here's my feedback as a disabled mom of four.

I want to look at that lens and feel like a person I know has done these things and done well. I can get a list of ways to earn money online anywhere, and I can get hype from a pro anytime. I think some more personal experience would be really helpful in making the lens convincing.

I'd really like to be convinced! smile

Angela

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#24 07/20/2006 10:14 am

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Some pictures might make be cool too. smile

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#25 07/21/2006 3:58 pm

anneeasterling
First mate
Registered: 05/11/2006
Posts: 351

Re: ATTN: Chance to pick on a newbie's lens

Looks like you are headed in the right direction. Work on spelling, grammar and such, and your lens will be more credible.

Happy day,
Anne

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