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#1 06/02/2006 3:24 pm

jeffryv
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Vancouver BC Canada
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 2103

June 2nd Squidoo changed

Google ad placement

Lensrank formula

Cheers
Jeff

Last edited by jeffryv (06/02/2006 3:33 pm)

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#2 06/02/2006 4:14 pm

Catana
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

I thought something must have changed with lens rankings. My baby started the morning #7, down one from yesterday, then later changed to #5. Yippee!

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#3 06/02/2006 5:04 pm

relache
Indubitably tentacular
From: Seattle, WA
Registered: 04/10/2006
Posts: 2391

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

I had a few last night that went up in the top 50 when stuff rolled over but by this AM were up to the top 30.


“If the cut of the costume indicates intellect and talent, then the color indicates temper and heart. - Thomas Carlyle

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#4 06/02/2006 6:23 pm

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

The search engine also changed. Has anyone noticed? I hate it.

Sorry. I don't mean to have a bad attitude. It's just... Well, you know.

Angela

Last edited by AngelaHarms (06/02/2006 6:52 pm)

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#5 06/02/2006 7:11 pm

Catana
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

The Google search engine is actually an improvement. I can't tell you how many times I've come up with nothing or next to nothing in searches. And it has the potential for more Squidoo income, which might be a point in our favor when we're arguing for not having ads on top of our lenses.

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#6 06/02/2006 7:16 pm

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

I might be biased about that, since my lenses were showing up in searches, but now they're not. smile If it's working for you, that makes me feel better smile

Angela

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#7 06/02/2006 8:26 pm

Catana
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

I don't even know if it works for my lenses. They weren't what I looked for. But your unschooling lens doesn't come up for me. You have plenty of tags, so I don't know what's going on.

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#8 06/02/2006 9:40 pm

relache
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From: Seattle, WA
Registered: 04/10/2006
Posts: 2391

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

I have some lenses that couldn't be found by Squidoo search before and still don't seem to be coming up with Google search, so really, my slight frustration hasn't changed.


“If the cut of the costume indicates intellect and talent, then the color indicates temper and heart. - Thomas Carlyle

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#9 06/02/2006 10:08 pm

AngelaHarms
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

I can't figure out why the search sometimes brings up a site and sometimes brings up a tag. If you click on the tag, you get a squidoo list like always. But what's weird is that my lens isn't listed on the google search, but if you click the homeschooling tag, it's #1. Isn't that weird?

Maybe the google search uses googles pagerank instead?

Angela

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#10 06/03/2006 6:26 am

Catana
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

That's what I was wondering, after seeing the lack of results for your lens. If so, that's a problem. On Google itself, page rank matters, but on Squidoo, it defeats the purpose of doing a search. At least the old Squidoo search gave you a choice of looking for the best lens or all lenses.

Another way to find lenses is to drill down through the tag cloud and hope you picked the right tags, but what casual readers are going to bother doing that?

Connie

AngelaHarms wrote:

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Maybe the google search uses googles pagerank instead?

Angela

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#11 06/03/2006 7:19 am

EdBurck
Cuttlefish. Just browsing.
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 3

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

I appreciate the Squidoo team trying new things and soliciting our feedback. So here's my initial reaction to the Google search:

I know there are some bugs with the old search but at first glance the new Google search is worse. I search for "flyball" and my  Flyball! lens isn't one of the 3 returned (none of them have to do with flyball). There's only one other flyball lens in Squidoo and it has no content - and it doesn't show up in the search results either. In the old search my lens was the first one returned.
I know the Squidoo philosophy is that people will find lenses via search and not URLs. In this case, this particular lens would never be visited. I realize this is just one case, and maybe overall the Google search will work out better for more people. Just adding my $.02.

- Ed

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#12 06/03/2006 10:03 am

baretree
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
From: Portland, Oregon
Registered: 04/15/2006
Posts: 159

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

I've been playing with the new search and there are some parts that I like better, some that I don't. One thing I wonder though is if it can be set to default to "Search  www.squidoo.com". I found that when I would search for one thing, it would return results just within squidoo but that when I searched for the next thing, it searched the whole internet. It took me a few times before I realized that I had to select "Search  www.squidoo.com" beneath the search box. I think most people will be like me and not make the selection - which is going to send people away from Squidoo. I wouldn't think that we would want that. Barrie

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#13 06/03/2006 10:06 am

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

Seems like Squidoo isn't really out of Beta. At least I hope it's not finished.

Last edited by AngelaHarms (06/03/2006 10:07 am)

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#14 06/03/2006 1:21 pm

jeffryv
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Vancouver BC Canada
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 2103

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

Hi
Yeah, a real search!!!
Being a "Google" person I am overjoyed with the new search as I am very, very use to using it.
Much better than the clunky old Squidoo search.

Cheers
Jeff

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#15 06/05/2006 9:31 am

heathrow
Lensmaster in Chief
From: Irvington, NY
Registered: 10/17/2005
Posts: 979

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

Our internal search engine was less than ideal. It wasn't finding the best lenses, and it wasn't working or displaying results consistently. So we're returning to it to improve how it works -- so it finds more relevant lenses for more people.

To date, the internal Google search seems to be finding more, better. Yes, it finds tag and other content pages -- but you can easily tell which pages are lenses (Their lens titles end "on Squidoo." This is a placeholding effort until we further refine our previous search tool -- or find a better search solution.

Per http://www.squidu.com/qanda/i-just-made … t-find-it, it can still take a day-plus for a new lens to be indexed for search. That hasn't changed and is pretty consistent with how long it can take for major search engines to spider and index new web sites. We'll continue to work on this!

As far as being out of beta is concerned. We are definitely out of beta. That doesn't mean that we won't continue to add new features, improve existing features -- and sometimes, make changes so we can concentrate on improvements without continuing to suffer inconsistencies brought about by those existing features.

We're still young; thanks for your patience and persistence!

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#16 06/05/2006 10:23 am

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: June 2nd Squidoo changed

Just think, y'all. Years from now when *everybody's* on Squidoo, we'll be able to say we were here back when... smile

Angela

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