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#1 06/02/2006 9:21 am

Catana
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Google ads on top? Nooooo!

I first saw the new ads on someone else's lens and then checked mine. Please say this isn't going to be permanent. It makes the pages look like just another commercial site. Not to mention that it makes the pages longer, when I'm already trying my darndest to keep them compact.

This is a bad. bad move and completely undermines my enthusiasm about Squidoo.

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#2 06/02/2006 9:35 am

baretree
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
From: Portland, Oregon
Registered: 04/15/2006
Posts: 159

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

I agree - I liked it much better when they were on the side. I hate having the first thing I see on a site be an ad - makes me click off it because I think they are only trying to sell something. Please change it back.

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#3 06/02/2006 10:37 am

heathrow
Lensmaster in Chief
From: Irvington, NY
Registered: 10/17/2005
Posts: 979

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Why'd we make that change? We want to help lensmasters earn more royalties as a co-op.

The Google ads weren't doing a lot in the sidebar, so we're testing their performance in a new location.

Based on how the relocation works -- and lensmaster and reader feedback -- we'll decide whether this becomes permanent. Thanks for the early feedback!

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#4 06/02/2006 12:55 pm

JaZilla
Got yer sea legs
From: Appalachia
Registered: 03/27/2006
Posts: 98

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Google ads are over, I thought - but in any case, YUCK. I'll be concentrating elsewhere until this gets fixed.


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#5 06/02/2006 1:47 pm

Catana
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Hate to say it, JaZ, but I feel the same way. I have a lens almost ready to go live, one that's very important to me and part of a larger project, but I'm going to wait until this ad business is settled one way or the other. I planned to publish it tomorrow, but now I'm just going to sit on it.

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#6 06/02/2006 2:18 pm

seitler
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Sarasota, FL
Registered: 02/02/2006
Posts: 262

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

heathrow wrote:

Why'd we make that change? We want to help lensmasters earn more royalties as a co-op.

How about letting this be an option (sidebar vs. top of lens) that the lensmasters can toggle?

Personally, I use Firefox's Adblock extension, and it's set to block Google ads -- I just see a little empty gray bar up top there. I didn't know what it was until I saw the uproar here in the lounge.

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#7 06/02/2006 2:23 pm

wuming1
Got yer sea legs
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 71

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

That's right, my impression is that ever more people are using Adblock on their Firefox.


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#8 06/02/2006 3:08 pm

jeffryv
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Vancouver BC Canada
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 2103

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Let the Lensmaster control placement of  Google ads by making it a module!
Easy to do.

Cheers
Jeff

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#9 06/02/2006 3:26 pm

Catana
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Optional placement is a great idea. There's a big difference between lenses that are commercially oriented, where the top ads wouldn't be out of place, and strictly informative ones, where blatant advertising is totally inapropriate.

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#10 06/02/2006 3:31 pm

jeffryv
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Vancouver BC Canada
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 2103

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Make a opt-in higher rate Co-op for those lensmasters who put Google ads right into Lens.

Cheers
Jeff

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#11 06/02/2006 6:19 pm

AngelaHarms
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

I am really sad about this. I waited until the end of the day, hoping the nonsense would be over. I agree with y'all that I don't have enthusiasm for this. With all the crap on the page you can't even tell what the lens is for without scrolling down. Worthless.

You (Squidoo) have hooked us by being about content. If you keep this approach, you'll have to recruit new lensmasters who have different priorities.

Angela

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#12 06/02/2006 7:05 pm

Catana
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Be patient, Angela. Heath said that this is a test. The question is whether they are going to hang on to it long enough to see if it makes a difference in click throughs or whether they will listen to our comments and objections and work out some kind of alternative. So far, the response to our concerns has been good, but this is a bigger issue, so it may also be a test of how much input we actually have.

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#13 06/02/2006 9:58 pm

squidoo_engineer
Squid Staff / Forum Mod
From: Boulder
Registered: 10/17/2005
Posts: 2134

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

To all concerned: we are definitely listening. We are merely testing the waters to try something new. Please bare with us.

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#14 06/02/2006 10:09 pm

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Thanks for the feedback, Mr. Squidoo-Engineer.  But I have to say, I don't really appreciate the sexual harassment! No, I most certainly won't bare with you! (I will, however, bear with you.)  :-)

Angela

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#15 06/02/2006 10:18 pm

jeffryv
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Vancouver BC Canada
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 2103

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Hi

I would be interested to know how much of an increase in income it results in.
If alot, then I am all for it smile

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#16 06/03/2006 2:49 am

wuming1
Got yer sea legs
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 71

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Even if it does increase profits, I'll be against it. It doesn't suit the kind of work I'm trying to do. It ridicules me and impairs my concentration. I'm confident that the problem will be solved, but if by some unfortunate chance it isn't, I'll simply have to delete my lenses, and export their content elsewhere (on my website probably). I won't regret having made the experiment, it was very inspiring and instructive, thank you all etc., but I can't have a social life with ads tattooed on my forehead.

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Wu Ming Foundation. Slightly more than expected from a band of novelists.
My lenses:
Wu Ming Foundation & Luther Blissett project
Italian Soccer and its Nightmares

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#17 06/03/2006 6:19 am

Catana
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 125

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Wuming, I might tolerate it for the lenses I already have, but not for some still upcoming. The blatant commercialism would undercut them severely, especially knowing that there simply aren't any possible relevant ads. This morning I'm thinking again (for the first time in a long time) about hosting, domain names, etc.

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#18 06/03/2006 7:52 am

Arend-Jan
Got yer sea legs
From: utrecht
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 56

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

2 ads might do better. Now I currently get 3 ads where there could be 4 or should be 2. Having three just too much shifts the title of the lens down.

My suggestion is make it 2 in a space that has just as much vertical px as required. Perhaps you can even cram the three ads together in that space.

Last edited by Arend-Jan (06/03/2006 7:53 am)


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#19 06/03/2006 9:32 am

AskJoanne
Cuttlefish. Just browsing.
Registered: 01/28/2006
Posts: 3

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

I am adding my voice to the people who say - "Ads on top = YUCK"

Particulary because on at least two of my lenses the ads are completely inappropriate and even offensive.  For example, I have a lens for the Catholic Church in my community and the ad that comes up says:
Accused Catholic Priests
List of Those Accused of Sex Abuse Also Secret Church Documents
www.BishopAccountability.org

I think the ads devalue the whole purpose of lenses providing useful information.  At least if they're along the side-bar they don't interfere, but across the top is terrible.

My 2 cents.
Joanne
http://www.AskJoanne.com

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#20 06/03/2006 9:52 am

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

What bugs me the most is that on 1024 x 768, the ads push the content so far down that you can't even tell what the page is doing. Do the developers have higher resolution screens? (Surely they test on several resoulutions.)

Why is the layout so narrow anyway? The ads could be in some of that wasted space on the left side.

Angela

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#21 06/03/2006 12:14 pm

relache
Indubitably tentacular
From: Seattle, WA
Registered: 04/10/2006
Posts: 2391

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

AngelaHarms wrote:

What bugs me the most is that on 1024 x 768, the ads push the content so far down that you can't even tell what the page is doing. Do the developers have higher resolution screens? (Surely they test on several resoulutions.)

Why is the layout so narrow anyway? The ads could be in some of that wasted space on the left side.

Angela

You mean you haven't noticed, Angela, how you could fit skyscraper banner ads down those sides?

That was the pessimistic part of my brain responding.  The optimistic part thinks the site probably works and scales for people who still run 15" monitors at mid-range resolutions like my Dad.

Really, I'm perfectly fine just watching and seeing what happens for now.


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#22 06/03/2006 1:11 pm

jeffryv
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Vancouver BC Canada
Registered: 11/17/2005
Posts: 2103

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

Hi

I am for letting Squidoo collect some stats from this experiment, which will take a few weeks to get a feel for how much the income will improve.

Note for those who want to jump ship, both Google and Microsoft now offer ad free websites at no charge
http://jeffryvance.googlepages.com/mylenses

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#23 06/03/2006 1:22 pm

JaZilla
Got yer sea legs
From: Appalachia
Registered: 03/27/2006
Posts: 98

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

relache wrote:

Really, I'm perfectly fine just watching and seeing what happens for now.

LOL, a submissive voyeur!

Anywho, I agree about using that wasted sidebar area for the ads. The lenses are waaay too vertical for comfortable reading already.


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#24 06/03/2006 1:28 pm

AngelaHarms
Citizen Squid Alumni

Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 779

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

I feel like a traitor. But an idea hit me, and I was too lazy to make a site from scratch, so I built one here. Forgive me, brothers! It doesn't mean I've abandoned the cause. It was just so FUN.

http://www.squidoo.com/illuminati

P.S. Rachel, I plan to add a link to your Discordian site, and Jeffry, to your Area 51 site. I just haven't yet. Nice google page, Jeffry.

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#25 06/03/2006 2:01 pm

relache
Indubitably tentacular
From: Seattle, WA
Registered: 04/10/2006
Posts: 2391

Re: Google ads on top? Nooooo!

JaZilla wrote:

relache wrote:

Really, I'm perfectly fine just watching and seeing what happens for now.

LOL, a submissive voyeur!

submissive?

no

http://www.squidoo.com/footworship


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