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I am doing a series of articles for SquidLog on Etiquette on the net and around Squidoo. Am trying to put a different slant on them other than:
Thou shalt not flame
Thou shalt not point the finger
Thou shalt be sweet and good humoured all the time - ie never post when you are upset about something ![]()
Do as you would be done by
etc etc - as lets face it, we have heard it all before! ![]()
I got thinking this morning about how when we are writing we do not necessarily see the real face, the full personality of people because body language and tone of voice count a lot towards the impression we give when we are communicating. And of course the communicating we do on the internet does not show this.
THEN I thought about different personalities and different issues/difficulties/disabilities some people have that may make the way they communicate and think about things quite different compared to a lot of the other people they communicate with. This thought was in part prompted by the fact that I have worked with children who have Aspergers.
So as part of the article I would be interested to look at things from the perpsective of people who may have ADHD, ADD, Autism, Aspergers etc and the other "invisible conditions" and include some info about what issues they face and the allowances that people may need to make when people with these conditions participate in their networks.
I am not saying that people should openly declare they have these difficulties but I want to make the point that more allowances should be made because we just do not know the "whole story" about the people we are communicating with - I hope that makes sense?
If anyone is willing to answer some questions for me via private email, either let me know on here OR email me via my "Contact Me" button on my Bio. I would like to be able to credit the people who help me with either a link to their Bio or any relevant lenses but any requests to withold your ID will be respected and will not be shared with anyone - including the lovely Chef Keem ![]()
I would like to hear from people who are directly affected either because they have these conditions or they are very close to someone who has them.
The article will not be published on SquidLog for a few weeks yet, as there's others already scheduled ahead of it.
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I have dyslexia and it affects me sometimes when I'm interpreting words.
For example someone recently pointed out that Lens of the Day didn't mean a lens every day but that a special lens chosen for THAT day. I'd always thought it meant a lens every day and it never even occurred to me the other meaning.
The result?? I'm careful about strong reactions to something until I've double checked that I fully understand what's going on.
My advise to others....after writing something, look at it with a fresh eye to see if it could be interpreted in a different way then the one intended.
Found another example of this:
The blue pay box has a "close forever" button on the bottom. For the longest time I never closed out the blue box because I took it literally that it would never open again and I thought....how will I know what my monthly earnings are if it closes forever?
Dumb, I know, but that's my brain.
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Ener-G wrote:
Found another example of this: The blue pay box has a "close forever" button on the bottom. For the longest time I never closed out the blue box because I took it literally that it would never open again and I thought....how will I know what my monthly earnings are if it closes forever?
Well, it does make a person wonder. ...I am too literal minded, and things like that give me a headache sometimes. ![]()
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Ener-G wrote:
Found another example of this:
The blue pay box has a "close forever" button on the bottom. For the longest time I never closed out the blue box because I took it literally that it would never open again and I thought....how will I know what my monthly earnings are if it closes forever?
Dumb, I know, but that's my brain.
Don't feel bad. I had the same problem.
Okay so here is my story. I am an Electrical/Systems/Software Engineer. I am not a writer. When I was working it was the joke of the office that my emails were totally contained in the subject line. I had a code inspection once and misspelled a comment and during the inspection closeout my lead documented that my mistake was due to lack of education. He was very funny and we laughed for years about that. Anyhow, I am great at math and science but my grammar and spelling just plain old S U C K. It is not easy for me to write with fluff. So what I write sounds hard/harsh/blunt???. I try not to post very much. I also do not post in the critique me section because I do not have anything to offer in return.
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Ener-G wrote:
I have dyslexia and it affects me sometimes when I'm interpreting words.
For example someone recently pointed out that Lens of the Day didn't mean a lens every day but that a special lens chosen for THAT day. I'd always thought it meant a lens every day and it never even occurred to me the other meaning.
The result?? I'm careful about strong reactions to something until I've double checked that I fully understand what's going on.
My advise to others....after writing something, look at it with a fresh eye to see if it could be interpreted in a different way then the one intended.
Found another example of this:
The blue pay box has a "close forever" button on the bottom. For the longest time I never closed out the blue box because I took it literally that it would never open again and I thought....how will I know what my monthly earnings are if it closes forever?
Dumb, I know, but that's my brain.
I think most of us felt like that about the blue box. It's usability rating would be very poor.
Kate
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HorseAndPony wrote:
Okay so here is my story. I am an Electrical/Systems/Software Engineer. I am not a writer. When I was working it was the joke of the office that my emails were totally contained in the subject line. I had a code inspection once and misspelled a comment and during the inspection closeout my lead documented that my mistake was due to lack of education. He was very funny and we laughed for years about that. Anyhow, I am great at math and science but my grammar and spelling just plain old S U C K. It is not easy for me to write with fluff. So what I write sounds hard/harsh/blunt???. I try not to post very much. I also do not post in the critique me section because I do not have anything to offer in return.
Well, this is eloquent and wordy as far as I'm concerned. Maybe you've picked up a writing trick or two.
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Ener-G wrote:
HorseAndPony wrote:
Okay so here is my story. I am an Electrical/Systems/Software Engineer. I am not a writer. When I was working it was the joke of the office that my emails were totally contained in the subject line. I had a code inspection once and misspelled a comment and during the inspection closeout my lead documented that my mistake was due to lack of education. He was very funny and we laughed for years about that. Anyhow, I am great at math and science but my grammar and spelling just plain old S U C K. It is not easy for me to write with fluff. So what I write sounds hard/harsh/blunt???. I try not to post very much. I also do not post in the critique me section because I do not have anything to offer in return.
Well, this is eloquent and wordy as far as I'm concerned. Maybe you've picked up a writing trick or two.
Thanks Ener-G. It took me a while to write it. I am working very hard at my writing. I feel like I am in 3rd grade again.
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Thanks for your input everyone and also to those of you who have emailed me - I will be getting back to you soon.
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I always try to remember that communications are never perfect. Problems in understanding come from the sender or receiver, and usually from both. Thomas Jefferson famously said "If angry count to ten before you respond, if very angry count to one hundred." Most of us follow Mark Twain's paraphrase, "if angry count to ten, if very angry, curse." (quotes from memory, not concise)
No excuse for being obtuse. It comes naturally.
ie: Just because what I think I heard you say is not what you thought i understood does not mean my reply is very different than it would have been if we had actually communicated. If we have something to say, do we ever really listen to what comes before? In forums it is worse; is this a reply to the thread, another comment, or just a tangent that sprang to mind?
Add other's very real conditions and circumstances we may not know about - we all need to slow down and breath deeply; and maybe count to seventy times seven.
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BFuniv.com wrote:
I always try to remember that communications are never perfect. Problems in understanding come from the sender or receiver, and usually from both. Thomas Jefferson famously said "If angry count to ten before you respond, if very angry count to one hundred." Most of us follow Mark Twain's paraphrase, "if angry count to ten, if very angry, curse." (quotes from memory, not concise)
No excuse for being obtuse. It comes naturally.
ie: Just because what I think I heard you say is not what you thought i understood does not mean my reply is very different than it would have been if we had actually communicated. If we have something to say, do we ever really listen to what comes before? In forums it is worse; is this a reply to the thread, another comment, or just a tangent that sprang to mind?
Add other's very real conditions and circumstances we may not know about - we all need to slow down and breath deeply; and maybe count to seventy times seven.
Thump. One, two, three, four, five etc.etc. Just kidding
It's why I use smileys to try and convey a form of body language. I have been totally deaf for 37 years now but have a 'Cochlear ear implant' for the last 18 years now. I have written about it, but what I really want to say is that it gets frustrating. People just do not understand. I personally, even prior to going deaf have always battled with following instructions. My maths teacher once told me that I was the most unusual boy he had ever seen, because all the easy things I find hard and all the hard things I find easy. However, once I'm shown something I pick up fast. Simple put, I have spent hours on the Answer Deck, it just goes through one ear and out the other.
People don't believe me when I say they have the same problem. My children will say," no one taught me how to use my cellphone." IMO they are wrong, they talk to their mates at school and there is always some one who is ahead with the same phone and they show them. Viola they now know what they didn't before.
Doesn't happen with me and cannot use the phone, so no one to talk me through this. Video's don't help me much but a good lens done diagramatically is a boon. A well dressed bullit, did a few like this.
Anyways, the long and short of this is I have a life long habit of putting my foot in it, completely unintentionally.
Due to my life experiences, I like people to be blunt and to the point. All this pussyfooting around and innuendo on the forum drives me nuts. I do however try my best to accede to this. At times it's a tough job. I miss The Bard. ![]()
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grannysage looks at her feet. I know I said I wanted to come back as cat, but are they pussyfeet now? Or maybe Vladimir the cat has been posting again, he really does "pussyfoot."
Sorry, Spook, not making fun of your post, I just like the visual it gave me. Now here is my opinion on Internet conversations. I think the Internet is the great equalizer. Because we can't see each other and play those little role playing games we tend to play in the "real" world, we tend to be more forthright and honest. We talk about deeper subjects and share our stories. There is very little of what I call "small talk," which I can't tolerate. So, how was your day? Mine was fine. Sally called me, she said that she talked to Frank and they are going out for dinner.......well you get the idea. People can talk on and on and say nothing.
Both here and other forums I find people talk about what matters to them the most. We learn about each others personalities, triumphs and sorrows. We give each other pats on the back and a virtual hug when someone needs it. We can be real here in a way we don't feel comfortable being elsewhere. If you met me at a party, I would be the one sitting in the corner, wondering when I could go home. I can bet you would never find out my interests or learn about my life.
Yes, some people can rub other people the wrong way, but a lot of it is how we choose to react to it. I try to read what the person is trying to say, not necessarily how they said it. There are times I delete a post because I figure it really doesn't need to be said. Sometimes I like to be silly, some times serious. And some times I am sitting in a virtual corner just watching.
BTW, I met my current husband on-line and we've been together 11 years. At the time I went to meet him, I had never even seen a picture of him, but I felt him very well. We never had to play the dating game.
Speaking of husband, he just came home with my supper. I'm keeping this one!
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I agree with you Granny, the internet is the great equaliser. It doesn't matter what you look like or sound like, and I think in forums like this we excuse grammar a lot too, especially since a lot of people online don't write correctly anyhow. It's partly because some don't know how to use good grammar or can't spell too well of course, but we also get lazy when writing online, whether it's forums or emails, and it's excused these days.
The thing that it is hardest to get round is a person's attitude, because you don't get to see their personality, not until you have read their forum posts and got to know them better. It's sometimes easy to upset someone, because you can't see if they have a disability, or a dislike of a particular topic etc.
On SquidU at least I think most of us are easy going, and accept that we all have different personalities, nationalities, religions, handicaps etc.
My biggest handicap is like Spook - things go in one ear and out of the other. These days more than ever I have trouble focusing on things, and it makes me wonder if I have been ADD all my life. I just asked Debbie, and she says probably yes, the first person that has ever backed me up on this thought.
I think this will make a great article AJ. We are so proud of what you are doing and the articles and lenses that you are creating.
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poddys wrote:
I agree with you Granny, the internet is the great equaliser. It doesn't matter what you look like or sound like, and I think in forums like this we excuse grammar a lot too, especially since a lot of people online don't write correctly anyhow. It's partly because some don't know how to use good grammar or can't spell too well of course, but we also get lazy when writing online, whether it's forums or emails, and it's excused these days.
The thing that it is hardest to get round is a person's attitude, because you don't get to see their personality, not until you have read their forum posts and got to know them better. It's sometimes easy to upset someone, because you can't see if they have a disability, or a dislike of a particular topic etc.
On SquidU at least I think most of us are easy going, and accept that we all have different personalities, nationalities, religions, handicaps etc.
My biggest handicap is like Spook - things go in one ear and out of the other. These days more than ever I have trouble focusing on things, and it makes me wonder if I have been ADD all my life. I just asked Debbie, and she says probably yes, the first person that has ever backed me up on this thought.
I think this will make a great article AJ. We are so proud of what you are doing and the articles and lenses that you are creating.
Great post and I agree with the sentiments expressed here. As to spelling, I find that the PC seems to hypnotise you. Writing by hand I make very few spelling mistakes but as soon as I get on here, I'm riddled with them. Using Chrome at least you get a red alert (although doesn't tell you how to spell it.) In IE 8, no such thing.(Using at the moment.) I never would have spotted that in my first post I put 'simple' instead of 'simply' without your post Poddy. ![]()
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poddys wrote:
My biggest handicap is like Spook - things go in one ear and out of the other. ....................
I think this will make a great article AJ. We are so proud of what you are doing and the articles and lenses that you are creating.
Tony - things going in one ear and out the other - you are a bloke for goodness sake ![]()
Aw - thank you for what you said about the articles and lenses. I am blushing now.
And thank you everyone for joining in this discussion. The whole thought process started as a result of me focussing on the whole Etiquette thing and Bambi starting a thread about how we are with people on here.
I started to wonder about how many times we may be rubbed up the wrong way by people because we just look at the words and we never wonder about the person behind them.
Sometimes we can be so quick to judge and not stop to think about the invisible conditions that affect some people and the way they go about networking.
I have had some great feedback via email and will be sending some specific questions out soon to those who have volunteered to give me their views. I am hoping it will not only make for an interesting article but it may stop us from being so quick to judge others. And yes, sometimes I know I am guilty about that. As Grannysage says, I have typed up an instant response many a time only to delete before I publish - thank goodness ![]()
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aj2008 wrote:
poddys wrote:
My biggest handicap is like Spook - things go in one ear and out of the other. ....................
I think this will make a great article AJ. We are so proud of what you are doing and the articles and lenses that you are creating.Tony - things going in one ear and out the other - you are a bloke for goodness sake
Aw - thank you for what you said about the articles and lenses. I am blushing now.
And thank you everyone for joining in this discussion. The whole thought process started as a result of me focussing on the whole Etiquette thing and Bambi starting a thread about how we are with people on here.
I started to wonder about how many times we may be rubbed up the wrong way by people because we just look at the words and we never wonder about the person behind them.
Sometimes we can be so quick to judge and not stop to think about the invisible conditions that affect some people and the way they go about networking.
I have had some great feedback via email and will be sending some specific questions out soon to those who have volunteered to give me their views. I am hoping it will not only make for an interesting article but it may stop us from being so quick to judge others. And yes, sometimes I know I am guilty about that. As Grannysage says, I have typed up an instant response many a time only to delete before I publish - thank goodness
Thump. One, two, three etc. etc. When will I ever learn? ![]()
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Spook wrote:
As to spelling, I find that the PC seems to hypnotise you. Writing by hand I make very few spelling mistakes but as soon as I get on here, I'm riddled with them. Using Chrome at least you get a red alert (although doesn't tell you how to spell it.) In IE 8, no such thing.(Using at the moment.) I never would have spotted that in my first post I put 'simple' instead of 'simply' without your post Poddy.
Actually/also, there's a lot of proven science on the 'muscle memory' of handwriting - a lot of people may not remember the spelling visually, but CAN write it out...
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Am going to be emailing questions out to those people who said they would help with the research (see first post). If you would like to give me some input either add a comment here or send me an email via the Contact Me button on my bio.
Thank you ![]()
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Oh, I'm willing, I don't think i said ^_^
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Flynn the Cat - I somehow missed your last post, so I have not sent you anything. Sincere aplogies ![]()
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Ach, that's alright. I forgot to say earlier.
(..goes back to making people fill out MY survey about marine reserves
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I read an article on CNN about people who are addicted to on-line communications, as being mostly ADD and depressed. Interesting! I will want to hear the out-come of this. Subscribing!
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The article has now gone "live" on Squidlog and I have started a new thread to that effect on here so I wont leave the link
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Thank you everyone who contacted me directly and answered my specific questions (in which case you should have had a thankyou note from me) and thank you everyone who has left notes on here.
There's been some very thoughtful and insightful comments left on the article on SquidLog and it is clear that so many people really care about this issue. Makes me proud to be part of this Community.
Thank you all
Much love 'n hugs
AJ ![]()
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