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#1 04/23/2009 3:35 pm

frances
Got yer sea legs
From: London
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 58

Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Not sure where to post these but...

Has anybody else found that all referrals from Yahoo have disappeared? Both my lenses used to get a few from Yahoo every day. Now they both got none.

And comments... I approved two - one from the dashboard comments page, one from within the lens module. And both seem to have disappeared. No longer pending but not on the lenses either.

Am I missing something here?

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#2 04/23/2009 3:39 pm

thefluffanutta
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From: York, England SquidUtils.com
Registered: 09/04/2006
Posts: 7185

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

frances wrote:

Has anybody else found that all referrals from Yahoo have disappeared? Both my lenses used to get a few from Yahoo every day. Now they both got none.

Yes, Yahoo! have made a change to their algorithm, which accidently prevented any Squidoo Lens from appearing in the results. Details here: http://squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=33894

No idea about your comments. Might be best to submit a bug report.

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#3 04/23/2009 3:56 pm

frances
Got yer sea legs
From: London
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 58

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Thanks. I should have looked a bit harder.

Tried to find out something about the Yahoo update on the web but there seemed to be so little written. When Google dinged squidoo lenses a year or so ago, it was big news.

Guess nobody bothers that much about yahoo anymore...

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#4 04/23/2009 8:17 pm

Janet21
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From: Birthday Party Central
Registered: 01/05/2007
Posts: 2734

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

frances wrote:

Guess nobody bothers that much about yahoo anymore...

That is not true.  Many of us are very concerned about Yahoo.  Myself and others have lost thousands of weekly visitors.  We are just being as patient as we can and hoping that a positive resolution is reached in this situation.

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#5 04/23/2009 8:38 pm

Greekgeek
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From: Orange County, CA
Registered: 05/04/2007
Posts: 3358

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Yeah, I was whinging about the Yahoo traffic earlier today too.

But there's nothing we can do. Squidoo HQ is talking to Yahoo and trying to get it fixed. Until then, all we can do is work to get traffic from other avenues. At least that means that when Yahoo traffic does come back, we'll have a net increase in traffic!

I don't understand why your comments would have disappeared, though.

That does sound weird.

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#6 04/23/2009 9:23 pm

susannaduffy
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From: Australia
Registered: 09/25/2006
Posts: 4294

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Have a look at your guestbook and look inpending blurbs - are you sure they're not there?
Then have a look in current blurbs .. maybe they're in there but on another page? (you have 8 pages in the Wedding tents and 26 in Sundials)

And yes, I'm distressed about the yahoo visitors dropping off too sad

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#7 04/23/2009 10:39 pm

SammySpam
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From: Australia
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 719

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

thefluffanutta wrote:

Yes, Yahoo! have made a change to their algorithm, which accidently prevented any Squidoo Lens from appearing in the results. Details here: http://squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=33894

Just like to add its preventing any website using the http://www.squidoo.com domain to rank highly, I've managed to find a few pages by searching my exact title (and even then its bottom of the first page) so thats homepage, lensmasters and everything else on Squidoo thats taken a hit.

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#8 04/24/2009 6:41 pm

frances
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From: London
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 58

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Sorry. Didnt mean to suggest that loss of Yahoo rankings didnt hurt lenses. I lost some daily traffic, which was why I was asking, though thousands of weekly visitors (from anywhere) way beyond my wildest dreams.

Just meant in the outside world - if you know what I mean.

There just seemed to be so little written about it.

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#9 04/24/2009 8:11 pm

Chadrew
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From: Lithuania
Registered: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1286

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

frances wrote:

There just seemed to be so little written about it.

Well that's true, at first I thought it was just my lens until I accidentally came across this SquidU topic where they said there was a global problem with Yahoo and Squidoo.

I don't think my lenses receive any Yahoo! traffic at all anymore, it was just dropping steadily from a few hundred to 70 today (probably just the 7 day traffic thing not updated yet and it will become 0 soon). Hopefully they will sort it out soon. I wonder how changing Yahoo algorithm caused problems specifically for Squidoo pages?

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#10 04/24/2009 9:17 pm

susannaduffy
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From: Australia
Registered: 09/25/2006
Posts: 4294

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Chadrew wrote:

. I wonder how changing Yahoo algorithm caused problems specifically for Squidoo pages?

And I wonder if the spammy lenses caused the change

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#11 04/24/2009 11:13 pm

Greekgeek
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From: Orange County, CA
Registered: 05/04/2007
Posts: 3358

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Report SquidSpam.
It gets locked!
Report lenses against Squidoo's TOS.
They get deleted!

Squidoo HQ can't police them without our help.

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#12 04/24/2009 11:27 pm

MikeMoore
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1007

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Greekgeek wrote:

Report SquidSpam.
It gets locked!
Report lenses against Squidoo's TOS.
They get deleted!

Squidoo HQ can't police them without our help.

I've reported about three lenses in the last few days for plagiarism and none that I know of have been locked or deleted. Mind you, I didn't check today, but I know one of them was still active last night.


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#13 04/24/2009 11:49 pm

Chadrew
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From: Lithuania
Registered: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1286

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

MikeMoore wrote:

Greekgeek wrote:

Report SquidSpam.
It gets locked!
Report lenses against Squidoo's TOS.
They get deleted!

Squidoo HQ can't police them without our help.

I've reported about three lenses in the last few days for plagiarism and none that I know of have been locked or deleted. Mind you, I didn't check today, but I know one of them was still active last night.

Squidoo HQ is usually slow to react on reports like that from my experience. Don't know the reason so I can't comment. I imagine they're just swamped with work.

Now this is probably going to sound weird, but:

- Yahoo! still uses meta keywords when ranking sites, isn't that correct?
- Squidoo tags are in meta keywords as well, and most people use up to 40 tags, many of them long-tail keywords, resulting in huge meta keyword tags.

Could Yahoo! have seen this as a massive practice of keyword stuffing inside meta tags?

Mind you, I don't think any serious search engine should pay too much attention to meta keywords, but still...

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#14 04/25/2009 12:03 am

Greekgeek
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From: Orange County, CA
Registered: 05/04/2007
Posts: 3358

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

And yet, a lot of people don't.

There are many things that might have caused Yahoo to do this. But I doubt there's any way to be sure what it is.

All we can do is keep making quality lenses and improve Squidoo as best we can.

I know one lens I and Kiwi reported for TOS violations was locked within a day or two of our hitting it. I know sometimes they aren't.

I'm not sure.
I'm getting frustrated too Chadrew... I'm sure it's showing.
I want SquidHQ to hurry up and FIX the Yahoo problem.
Unfortunately, in the end, that's up to Yahoo, not us. And if we think Squidoo HQ is sometimes slow to act...

I suspect something the size of Yahoo is even slower. It's like a mouse trying to move a mammoth!

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#15 04/25/2009 12:17 am

Chadrew
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Lithuania
Registered: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1286

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Well, I didn't imply that they're slow on solving the "Yahoo problem" - just that from my experience, they're kind of slow to react on reports of lenses with plagiarized content (and I mean, texts copied directly from blogs and websites without the slightest editing) - maybe those are harder to check than other kinds of reports?

At any rate, for all we know, low quality lenses might have nothing to do with the current "Yahoo problem" at all. I mean, there are so many websites with much more duplicate content than Squidoo has, and yet they still get thousands of hits from search engines happily.

Last edited by Chadrew (04/25/2009 9:20 am)

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#16 04/25/2009 8:52 am

MobyD
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Portland, OR
Registered: 10/19/2007
Posts: 1425

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

I suspect there's only so much Squidoo HQ can do about the "Yahoo problem."

It may take more than one report to get action on spammy lenses as Squidoo staff are few in number.

If you've spotted plagiarism, report it and put a link to the source in your report. Just make sure before you report that the lensmaster isn't merely copying her/his own writing from another site. I have run into a few cases of that. although the majority of plagiarism I've spotted has been just that - stolen copy. There are sites that allow people to use copy written by others, although when you use it, you're supposed to credit the original author and provide a link back to the site. If there's no credit or link, then it's plagiarism.

Uncredited copying from Wikipedia probably will not be acted upon, but it can't hurt to drop a note to the lensmaster saying credit to Wikipedia and a mention that the copy is being used under the Gnu Free Docutmentation License might be in order. Text on other sites, the Internet Movie Database, for instance, cannot be copied without violating copyright laws.

So when you spot spam, plagiarism, or violations of Squidoo's Terms of Service, report the lens. I sometimes check other lenses by the same person since often you'll find other stuff worth reporting. Reporting will help improve Squidoo overall, although I realize the spam, plagiarism and violations will keep occurring because some people who come to Squidoo to make lenses will never read the Terms of Service and will never visit the SquidU forums. They might not even notice if their lenses get locked or deleted.

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#17 04/25/2009 9:23 am

drifter0658
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 873

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

There is no specific Yahoo/Squidoo problem. Unless you want to consider that Squidoo has to roll with the punches like everyone else on the web and try to guess what Yahoo's major algorithm changes over the last six weeks have been. Squidoo pages are not unique in the traffic and backlinks dropoffs. Here is some proof to that http://www.webmasterworld.com/yahoo_search/3880063.htm.

This likely not going to sort itself out soon. Yahoo just hired a new CEO who is cleaning house quicker than a weed whacker. Looks like they have been tossing luggage overboard as noticed by their shutting down Geosites earlier this week.

Making quality lens is the key. Google specific SEO would help. Trying to determine what Yahoo's algorithm is shaping up to be is another approach, but I'm hedging my bets that if you can SEO for MSN, you may beat the Yahoo problem. Microsoft is either going to buy Yahoo or win the outsource contract.

I want to also add that some search engines do not even look at tags or keywords to check for relevance, but if your content is heavy in relevant terms you'll get gigged for stuffing. I am currently reworking nearly 800 pages at my store to get the percentages closer to 3% than 5%. Whew!

Last edited by drifter0658 (04/25/2009 9:32 am)


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#18 04/25/2009 9:25 am

Cari_Kay
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From: Caribbean and the U.S.
Registered: 10/10/2007
Posts: 738

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

I am showing comments in my emails but when I go to those particular lenses, the comments are not there.  Interesting


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#19 04/25/2009 11:59 am

thefluffanutta
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From: York, England SquidUtils.com
Registered: 09/04/2006
Posts: 7185

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

Cari_Kay wrote:

I am showing comments in my emails but when I go to those particular lenses, the comments are not there.  Interesting

Not even under the [Pending] tab when you edit the Guestbook module? It does depend on how you've got it configured.

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#20 04/25/2009 1:10 pm

Dkprincess6
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From: Moundsview, MN
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1447

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

I haven't had a problem with the comments, and something is happening with Yahoo because I have visits from there now, and I didn't before.

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#21 04/25/2009 4:17 pm

SquidooDummy21
Banned
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 11

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

I always report spammy Squidoo Pages whenever I come across them; nothing much, I know, but I try play my part.

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#22 04/25/2009 4:34 pm

drifter0658
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 873

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

SquidooDummy21 wrote:

I always report spammy Squidoo Pages whenever I come across them; nothing much, I know, but I try play my part.

Your signature makes you real credible. big_smile


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#23 04/25/2009 4:48 pm

flowergardener
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From: USA - Iowa
Registered: 06/09/2007
Posts: 3298

Re: Yahoo referrals gone. And comments disappearing

SquidooDummy21 wrote:

I always report spammy Squidoo Pages whenever I come across them; nothing much, I know, but I try play my part.

That's strange, do you really know the meaning of spammy or plagarism?
in another thread about the 'google side-step' tactic (http://www.squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=34099)
you posted

SquidooDummy21 wrote:

What's wrong with taking people content and re-writing it? :-(

I always do that for many of my sites; sure, I may not re-write it word for word, but it gives me a general template to follow when writing posts for my sites.


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