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As with most successful sites and companies, there are people creating their own economies on, off, and because of Squidoo.
Most people are doing it by making terrific lenses. Lenses that bring in royalties here, or help you sell more stuff on sites like Zazzle, CafePress, eBay, etsy, etc.
Other people are making lenses for and about their various affiliate programs. These can be hit or miss. Sadly, lots of affiliate lenses we see are selfish, useless and uncurated and often get shut down. But there's definitely room for good people to do it right.
Still other people are running their own Squidconomies by teaching other people how to make lenses, and selling their expertise that way via a blog or an ebook. Just three good examples: Bob Jenkins of SquidooSecrets does a wonderful job of teaching people to make good, passionate lenses, without any trickery or dishonestly. CaptainSquid runs a blog that gives real, personal advice to other lensmasters, without ever trying to hustle them. And Magicality created a helpful Firefox extension for advanced lensmasters, for free.
That's cool. I love seeing people helping people make authentic stuff.
But there's another category of people there: The vampires. Vampires are people out to cheat and trick and scam and make money off of YOU, off of people who want to use Squidoo. Vampires happen. But that doesn't mean you need to be suckered by them.
Don't buy ebooks promising secrets and results and instant traffic, without checking with some real, honest people first. Don't use an automator tool (and certainly don't buy one). Anonymous, computer-generated content isn't content. And someone will catch you, 10 times out of 10, and will shut you down. Don't sell or swap or engage with people who hound you or disrespect you.
But sometimes, it can be hard to tell. So I wanted to start this thread so that members can have a place to ask about any and all unofficial ebooks and tools and programs out there. Before you plunk down $20 for a program that promises to help you Squidoo, you're welcome to ask here first. The community can help you decide what's kosher or not. And probably, save you lots of time and money.
Remember, Squidoo's free. It's up to you to make good stuff.
And here's your fortune cookie for the day:
If something sounds like a hustle, it probably is.
--Megan
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Great advice Megan.
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Excellent!
It seems that as time goes by, more and more people are trying to cash in with the huge population we have here. Lensmasters and Lensmaster wanna be's.
I've been shocked and amazed at the amount of targeting towards Squidoo. I'm glad you mentioned Bob Jenkins. I've seen his product, but have never bought anything from anybody.
To each their own, I suppose. Some need a 'how-to', some want to find out by themselves, some want to take the time to read all the free information available right here.
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THanks Megan for this thread. You raise very excellent points about certain individuals who would make an attempt at a quick buck at all of our expense.
I would say that those who are legitimate are easy to spot. They participate in the forums frequently with great advice, help, and informative posts for everyone to read. They are very high profile and have invested great amounts of their time in Squidoo accross the board. You mentioned some of them, and there are others as well, not to mention all of our great volunteers.
The Scam artists on the other hand are easy to spot as well. They are unknown for the most part, with few to no lenses on anything significant. Most of them aren't too bright and think that they can just post SPAM to the forums with a boat load of links to their scam, but we catch them every time and cut them no quarter when we do.
Lastly, I would say that there is so much great information in the form of lenses and forum posts about every facet of lens creation and promotion, that there is no reason I can think of to buy any product that would tell someone about Squidoo and the art of making great lenses.
The only thing I recommend buying are Seth Godin's books on great marketing principals that are priceless.
Squidoo is a fabulous place full of freedom and possibility for everyone, but it can only be maintained with the cost of vigilance and integrity by its members.
So far it looks pretty good with a great future of promise for us all! ![]()
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I am going to put my neck out here, and tell you about two specific products that you should avoid, both of which I have personally reviewed.
The $5 Traffic Trick claims to bring instant traffic to any lens (or hub) by the amazing power of tags. Their reasons are thus: tag pages appear in high in search results so your lens will benefit from the traffic, and tag pages also have high PageRank which is passed to your lens. Both of these claims are bogus, as search engines don't index the tag pages. While tags still have their uses, traffic from search engines or PageRank via tag pages are not. It was in fact after reading this very report that I discovered this truth.
There is also a piece of software called TagSpyder which is based on the same principle - it claims to make the process of finding tags easier, though all it does is implement the same technique as the $5 Traffic Trick. You have to manually copy the tags one by one to your lens. The product gets a big thumbs down for pretty much the same reasons as the first one: it can't find tags on Google or Yahoo because they're no longer indexed, and adding tags won't get you any more PageRank.
I did send my frank opinions to the authors of both products, yet they continue to deceive their customers.
Caveat: these comments only apply to Squidoo. The principle behind these products may or may not work for HubPages, but seeing as I've told you what the principle is you don't need to buy them.
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Along with those wonderful and detailed blogs AND the very, very useful FREE tools by thefluffanutta and magicalilty, there is so much FREE help available on the SquidU forum and CaptainSquid's chat room.
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I wonder is how often they update their e-books? Squidoo is changing all the time. Do they update every time there is a change?
Also, beware of anything that says "My honest review of..." and then the lens is full of links to the site where you can buy the stuff that is being reviewed. I live in hope of stumbling across a lens that says "My honest review of" and the lensmaster says "well I have to admit it is total ***p" so I am not giving any links"
As far as I can see, from the wealth of info that is on here and the more ethical Squidoo-related sites, then there is no need for anyone to part with a cent, in order to learn about Squidoo.
"Vampires" is a brilliant label Megan.
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aj2008 wrote:
Also, beware of anything that says "My honest review of..." and then the lens is full of links to the site where you can buy the stuff that is being reviewed. I live in hope of stumbling across a lens that says "My honest review of" and the lensmaster says "well I have to admit it is total ***p" so I am not giving any links"
On my own site I've done book reviews. I remember doing one that was a real stinker. The book was rubbish and I said so and I said why too. I was on the list for review copies of books on certain subjects and I thought that the review was so bad for this book that they were sure to strike me off the list. I was amazed when they carried on sending me books. The marketing dept definitely saw the review because I always send a link out of courtesy and it was acknowledged with just a comment they were sorry I didn't like the book.
I think in the long term honest reviews are best because readers know they can trust you when you give a good review - then you might sell some copies of the book through Amazon.
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aj2008 wrote:
I wonder is how often they update their e-books? Squidoo is changing all the time. Do they update every time there is a change?
They usually don't, which leads to a lot of unhappy bug reports. ![]()
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Thank you, Megan, for bringing this up. It's not just fly-by-night quick buck types publishing them, though. I know of at least one big squid who shills their own.
I just keep preaching to everyone who'll listen - you can find anything you want for free. If you need to know something, you can ask someone and they'll freely tell you, and they're aren't any top-secret tricks to success. Even with the blogs, a lot of them still tell people to spam guestbooks. Grrrr....
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The_Homeopath wrote:
Thank you, Megan, for bringing this up. It's not just fly-by-night quick buck types publishing them, though. I know of at least one big squid who shills their own.
I just keep preaching to everyone who'll listen - you can find anything you want for free. If you need to know something, you can ask someone and they'll freely tell you, and they're aren't any top-secret tricks to success. Even with the blogs, a lot of them still tell people to spam guestbooks. Grrrr....
Well said, and totally true.
It's all free and most of it is here. The basic rules work: good content is like honey to flies; legitimate links are fair play; spam is ugly and downright foolish in the long run; search Squidoo, read lenses and blogs, and ask questions. This is the most helpful friendly bunch of collaborative marketing competitors on the planet.
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Well said all - the problem is that the people who are likely to be "suckered" into paying for this info are not on the Forum!
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I do appreciate the insight you have provided with this topic. I am 'more or less' an OLD Newbie. I have been with Squidoo since 2006, but am only just beginning to figure out how it all works.
I have read and followed a number of lenses to sites that will 'tell me more' or 'show me how', if I purchase this ebook or that course. I haven't...there are just soooo many of them out there. Thanks so much for sharing this information. It really is invaluable!
MrsZ
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I have spent hours reading things here and great lenses on Squidoo. However the more I read, the more confused I get. It's got to the stage where I have no idea who to trust and this saddens me. I often think that people make legitimate mistakes, especially whilst they are learning. Having said all of that and reading these posts, the one that makes the most sense to me is by The Homeopath.
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I have bought two Squidoo guides that I feel are very valuable for two reasons: They put everything together in one place so I don't have to go through the thousands of good lenses that have the free information. They actually do have many legitimate tips that I've never found in the Squidoo forum or lenses. I don't feel like I've been suckered and the money spent has been well worth it.
Two suggestions: Get all you can free here first, and never buy anything that doesn't have a money-back guarantee. If what you buy doesn't have anything of value beyond what you can find free, exercise your right to get your money back.
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Spook wrote:
It's got to the stage where I have no idea who to trust
Oh Spook - it's horrible when that happens. All I would say is follow your own instincts and take advice from the people who you can relate to.
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This is great information and something I've often wondered about. But what about all the affiliate marketing information that's being sold? Is it the same thing? A couple of Squidoo lensmasters have really gone into affiliate marketing big time - like how to make it big with the Wealthy Affiliate, etc. Are any of those worthwhile or are they bogus?
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CherylK wrote:
This is great information and something I've often wondered about. But what about all the affiliate marketing information that's being sold? Is it the same thing? A couple of Squidoo lensmasters have really gone into affiliate marketing big time - like how to make it big with the Wealthy Affiliate, etc. Are any of those worthwhile or are they bogus?
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Kind of the same thing to be honest. There are a ton of good lenses here that will give you the information for free, blogs you can read for free, and you can always post questions and someone will give you an opinion or the info you need.
Janet freely shares her success and tips here: http://www.squidoo.com/workathomewithsquidoo
I've got one documenting how I'm doing with Share a Sale: http://www.squidoo.com/share-a-sale
And Loyalis has helped SO many folks, his blog is a definate must-read:
http://www.captainsquid.com/
Fluffanutta has reviewed many of the programs too.
There are tons of free resources out there. I've seen many forums you can join too at no cost that are strictly for discussing making money online.
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The_Homeopath wrote:
CherylK wrote:
This is great information and something I've often wondered about. But what about all the affiliate marketing information that's being sold? Is it the same thing? A couple of Squidoo lensmasters have really gone into affiliate marketing big time - like how to make it big with the Wealthy Affiliate, etc. Are any of those worthwhile or are they bogus?
Edited to fix a typoKind of the same thing to be honest. There are a ton of good lenses here that will give you the information for free, blogs you can read for free, and you can always post questions and someone will give you an opinion or the info you need.
Janet freely shares her success and tips here: http://www.squidoo.com/workathomewithsquidoo
I've got one documenting how I'm doing with Share a Sale: http://www.squidoo.com/share-a-sale
And Loyalis has helped SO many folks, his blog is a definate must-read:
http://www.captainsquid.com/
Fluffanutta has reviewed many of the programs too.
There are tons of free resources out there. I've seen many forums you can join too at no cost that are strictly for discussing making money online.
Thanks so much. It's a struggle trying to sort through all the info out there. I'm going to read every lens you've mentioned. I am very thankful for this forum.
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Here go check this one out: http://www.squidwords.com
and it was plugged here:
http://www.squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=23536
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adez7 wrote:
Here go check this one out: http://www.squidwords.com
and it was plugged here:
http://www.squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=23536
Squidwords is awesome! I've used the free templates quite a bit and the HTML help is really easy to cut and paste - it's on my browser's shortcuts.
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adez7 wrote:
Here go check this one out: http:// www squidwords.com
and it was plugged here:
http://www squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=23536
Having looked at that resource it seems to be extremely basic, only a couple of the common html uses are listed, a few basic buttons and banners that may be useful, it's very heavy on the advertising - In fact the front page just seems to be an affiliate plug for an ebook (not sure which one!).
Delving deeper, as it's not apparent if the creator is an expereinced squid or not, and you find no mention of the credentials of the site owner. If the lensmaster plugging it on the thread mentioned is the actual creator, it's worth noting that they have 4 published lenses, and in the 2 I checked they don't use any of the banners or images, or even much of the html code and have a few default module titles too.
I don;t want to be too harsh here as I see plenty of potential for improvement, but currently they need some work (lenses & website)
Isn't this exactly the kind of resource that Megan warns about in the OP?
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Ditto! ![]()
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adez7 wrote:
Ditto!
I don't know. It's free and it was one of the very first resources I found when I joined here. The HTML page is simplistic, but the layout is just really easy for me to copy the exact code that I need. Probably, because I've used it so much, I've memorized where everything is so it's just quick for me now.
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