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#1 10/19/2008 10:39 am

vbright105
Full fledged kraken (500+ posts)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 706

How do you rate?

When you visit a lens, do you automatically give it 5*, even if you really don't feel it's good enough?  Has your rating system changed over time (like since you became a Giant, or whatever)
Newbie lenses...are you maybe a bit more generous with them since they are still learning the ropes?
Just some things I was thinking about today...it's Sunday, that means Squidoo DAy!

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#2 10/19/2008 11:31 am

Pantherart
Positively aquatic
From: Chester WV
Registered: 02/09/2008
Posts: 302

Re: How do you rate?

Most newbie I make my decision as I visit there lens if its a promotion for a marketing program that I know is no good then its gets no rating. If its about what someone likes their  city, dogs, cats ect. I give them a 5 star and become a fan then I check my favors everyday as soon as they do an update I favor them next time they do an update I do a comment but there are some lens I never comment on you know ladies there are some lens a guy just can't comment on. All food lens by the time I get to the bottom I have to leave and get something to eat you know like Joan lens but I 5 star them love them food lens. As for all other lens if they have a lot of great lens and it is my first time there I become a fan and on their profile page a start at the bottom and rate them as I go up the page, I do this to help boost the lower ones up the ones on top are already getting good ratings so they don't need a boost as soon but I do work my way to their top lens over time.

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#3 10/19/2008 11:41 am

chefkeem
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Austin, Texas
Registered: 01/29/2008
Posts: 1356

Re: How do you rate?

I give 5 stars if I like the lens, or none at all. A lower star rating sticks with the lensmaster even after improving the lens, and I don't know if I ever get around to re-visit the lens for a star upgrade.

For the real good stuff I have Angel powers, and I usually go out of my way to promote it with a blessing, favorite, lensroll, social bookmarking, LotD recommendations, etc. Your stuff, Veronika, IS good stuff. Another current favorite of mine is lensmaster seedplanter (hilarious stuff!).

Newbies need encouragement. So, yes - I'm more flexible with my judgment and more generous with my stars.  smile

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#4 10/19/2008 11:53 am

thrivingmom
First mate
From: Texas
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 457

Re: How do you rate?

I rate lenses like I grade papers (the English teacher in me).  I reserve 1* for spam.  I give 2* when they have no intro plus all of their modules have the generic module titles, and after I check their bio to make sure they aren't new.  If they are new, then I don't rate.  If a lensmaster isn't new and the lens is just ok and very weak on content, then I 3 star it.  I 4 star good lenses that still have a little room to get better.  I 5 star great lenses, lenses that have a unique subject matter (that rubber duckie lens comes to mind), or any lens that succeeds in ignited my emotions (be is laughter, sadness, empathy, a healthy sense of debate, etc).  I use the phrases that pop up when you hover over the stars as a guide.

I the lens is terrible, but I really feel that they tried then I just don't rate it.  I don't want to give a false good rating to someone that hasn't earned it, but I don't want to penalize them either.

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#5 10/19/2008 12:06 pm

MobyD
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Portland, OR
Registered: 10/19/2007
Posts: 1425

Re: How do you rate?

Pantherart wrote:

As for all other lens if they have a lot of great lens and it is my first time there I become a fan and on their profile page a start at the bottom and rate them as I go up the page, I do this to help boost the lower ones up the ones on top are already getting good ratings so they don't need a boost as soon but I do work my way to their top lens over time.

I noticed some of my lowest-ranking lenses had gotten stars, checked them, and they were from you. I'm happy to report that your activity resulted in a pretty large boost in their rankings from in the 170,000 area to between 40,000-50,000. Thank you!

Last edited by MobyD (10/19/2008 12:07 pm)

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#6 10/19/2008 12:13 pm

MobyD
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Portland, OR
Registered: 10/19/2007
Posts: 1425

Re: How do you rate?

thrivingmom wrote:

I rate lenses like I grade papers (the English teacher in me).  I reserve 1* for spam.  I give 2* when they have no intro plus all of their modules have the generic module titles, and after I check their bio to make sure they aren't new.  If they are new, then I don't rate.  If a lensmaster isn't new and the lens is just ok and very weak on content, then I 3 star it.  I 4 star good lenses that still have a little room to get better.  I 5 star great lenses, lenses that have a unique subject matter (that rubber duckie lens comes to mind), or any lens that succeeds in ignited my emotions (be is laughter, sadness, empathy, a healthy sense of debate, etc).  I use the phrases that pop up when you hover over the stars as a guide.

I the lens is terrible, but I really feel that they tried then I just don't rate it.  I don't want to give a false good rating to someone that hasn't earned it, but I don't want to penalize them either.

The way you rate lenses is I think what the Squidoo folks had in mind, although I wouldn't give any stars at all to a spam lens, which to me is by definition terrible. Even one star is a boost in rating. Other than that, I would prefer to rate lenses much the way you do.

However, it struck me early in my Squidoo days that most people who rate lenses feel they should give five stars if they're going to give any at all. So perhaps they only rate lenses they feel are really good. That's pretty much what I've been doing. I have tried to rate more lenses since I became a Giant after the June 30 deadline.

Last edited by MobyD (10/19/2008 12:14 pm)

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#7 10/19/2008 12:49 pm

a_willow
Giant Squid Greeter
From: Croatia
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 2638

Re: How do you rate?

I rate 5* or don't rate at all.

For newbies, since I run Fresh Squid group I have different approach - if I think their lenses are great, I rate them 5*. If there is something crucial missing (like intro or into picture) or they leave generic titles - I send them mail telling them what they need to improve before being excepted to group!
That's a reason I ask Fresh Squids to enable 'contact me' button on their profile pages.
And why Fresh Squid FAQ lens exists!


New Squids > join Fresh Squid Group and participate in monthly Contest.

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#8 10/19/2008 12:58 pm

Janet21
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From: Birthday Party Central
Registered: 01/05/2007
Posts: 2734

Re: How do you rate?

I don't follow the "5*'s or nothing" way of lens rating.   Personally, I feel that defeats the whole purpose for having a rating system.  I rate lenses based on many different factors and use the 1-5 stars available to do this.  Obviousy, I am not the only one that does since I have lenses that are rated 3, 3 1/2, 4, 41/2 stars.

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#9 10/19/2008 1:03 pm

GypsyPirate
Giant Squid Community Organizer
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 3040

Re: How do you rate?

VBright105: I feel that the five choices are there for a reason, and I use them all if I am rating a lens.


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#10 10/19/2008 1:16 pm

Chadrew
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Lithuania
Registered: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1286

Re: How do you rate?

Janet21 wrote:

I don't follow the "5*'s or nothing" way of lens rating.   Personally, I feel that defeats the whole purpose for having a rating system.

I agree.
I try to be objective and only give low ratings when I feel that the lens really deserve them. It feels better to give 5*s and 4*s. But I have given out plenty of 2* and even 1* ratings and I expect I'll give many more of those in the future smile Let's face it, Squidoo has a lot of cr*ppy lenses - and I don't mean merely unfinished ones, or those of newbies not sure what they're doing. I mean those with spam keyword links and copy>paste content.

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#11 10/19/2008 1:48 pm

vbright105
Full fledged kraken (500+ posts)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 706

Re: How do you rate?

chefkeem wrote:

I give 5 stars if I like the lens, or none at all. A lower star rating sticks with the lensmaster even after improving the lens, and I don't know if I ever get around to re-visit the lens for a star upgrade.

For the real good stuff I have Angel powers, and I usually go out of my way to promote it with a blessing, favorite, lensroll, social bookmarking, LotD recommendations, etc. Your stuff, Veronika, IS good stuff. Another current favorite of mine is lensmaster seedplanter (hilarious stuff!).

Newbies need encouragement. So, yes - I'm more flexible with my judgment and more generous with my stars.  smile

Well you are just such a sweeite pie, Chef!

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#12 10/19/2008 2:05 pm

ThomasC
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Registered: 01/30/2008
Posts: 1107

Re: How do you rate?

Just so everyone knows, you can rate a lens with "X" number of stars and then go back in the future and give a better rating if the lens has been improved. Since I found that information out, I now will rate a lens based on how good it is. It the lens is not that good I give it a low rating, then i try to get back to it down the road and if it has improved, then so does my rating for it!

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#13 10/19/2008 2:07 pm

vbright105
Full fledged kraken (500+ posts)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 706

Re: How do you rate?

ThomasC wrote:

Just so everyone knows, you can rate a lens with "X" number of stars and then go back in the future and give a better rating if the lens has been improved. Since I found that information out, I now will rate a lens based on how good it is. It the lens is not that good I give it a low rating, then i try to get back to it down the road and if it has improved, then so does my rating for it!

Cool, I thought you could only rate once

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#14 10/19/2008 2:31 pm

chefkeem
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Austin, Texas
Registered: 01/29/2008
Posts: 1356

Re: How do you rate?

ThomasC wrote:

Just so everyone knows, you can rate a lens with "X" number of stars and then go back in the future and give a better rating if the lens has been improved. Since I found that information out, I now will rate a lens based on how good it is. It the lens is not that good I give it a low rating, then i try to get back to it down the road and if it has improved, then so does my rating for it!

That would be an ideal situation, Thomas. Kudos to you if you can manage to keep an eye on all the lenses you've visited in regard to further improvements, and then go back for a rating upgrade. I find it difficult, time wise. I'm already spending many hours every day checking out lenses and working the forum. It probably all balances out when everything is said and done.  smile

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#15 10/19/2008 2:43 pm

NancyOram
Swimming pretty (100+ posts!)
From: Bay Area, California
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 186

Re: How do you rate?

The only thing I would add to this is it seems like rating spammy lenses with even a 1 would reward and encourage them.  So no rating at all would be better, plus they already got increased traffic for the visit.  If they're truly spam, not only should you not give them a 1, but you should also report the spam.  Otherwise, if it's simply a poor lens, but not spam, a poor rating and a helpful comment and revisit would be helpful to a well-meaning lensmaster.


~Nancy Oram
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#16 10/19/2008 2:53 pm

CleanerLife
Positively aquatic
From: USA
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 266

Re: How do you rate?

I find myself giving 4's and 5's mostly. In rare occasions a 3, but any Lens not worth at least a 3, I usually bail before voting, because it is so bad.

At least once, I visited a Lens that was still WIP, and I knew the new Lensmaster had some reworking to do, and was doing it, so I favorited the Lens, and joined the fan club. I returned within a couple of days and was very happy to give it a well deserved 5 *!

Normally, I fear that, like Chef, I may not be able to keep track of which Lenses I rated less than 5 *, but I have surprised myself and revisited a Lens I had rated less than 5, saw it appeared better than I remember, so boosted them up to 5 smile

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#17 10/19/2008 2:57 pm

ThomasC
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Registered: 01/30/2008
Posts: 1107

Re: How do you rate?

I have a folder on my firefox toolbar where I bookmark any lens that I give a low rating, making it very easy to revisit and check for improvements!

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#18 10/19/2008 3:12 pm

chefkeem
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Austin, Texas
Registered: 01/29/2008
Posts: 1356

Re: How do you rate?

ThomasC wrote:

I have a folder on my firefox toolbar where I bookmark any lens that I give a low rating, making it very easy to revisit and check for improvements!

I'll keep that in mind, Thomas. Maybe I change my rating habits - your method makes sense.  smile

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#19 10/19/2008 3:17 pm

sara08852
Positively aquatic
From: New Jersey
Registered: 04/30/2007
Posts: 231

Re: How do you rate?

Wouldn't it great to have a special rating for spammy lenses: what I mean is you could mark a lens as spam if you find one and if any given lens gets say 10 such votes then the HQ could go ahead and delete it.

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#20 10/19/2008 3:18 pm

Pantherart
Positively aquatic
From: Chester WV
Registered: 02/09/2008
Posts: 302

Re: How do you rate?

On your dashboard there is a favor tab and the first thing I do everyday is go there and any lens that I have favored or become a fan of that has updated its right there and depending how big of a fan base you have it just takes a few min. of time to check them if you do it on a daily bases.

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#21 10/19/2008 3:21 pm

vbright105
Full fledged kraken (500+ posts)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 706

Re: How do you rate?

ThomasC wrote:

I have a folder on my firefox toolbar where I bookmark any lens that I give a low rating, making it very easy to revisit and check for improvements!

I can't find anything on my firefox.  I've downloaded extensions that have ended up...somewhere, but I don't know where...lol

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#22 10/19/2008 3:25 pm

chefkeem
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Austin, Texas
Registered: 01/29/2008
Posts: 1356

Re: How do you rate?

sara08852 wrote:

Wouldn't it great to have a special rating for spammy lenses: what I mean is you could mark a lens as spam if you find one and if any given lens gets say 10 such votes then the HQ could go ahead and delete it.

That's what we have Squid Angels for, sara. They look for spam and then they have the power to "ding" a lens. If anybody else feels like they've discovered a spammy lens, they can report it from the link at the bottom of each lens, where it says "report spam".  smile

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#23 10/19/2008 4:19 pm

MobyD
Wow. Over 1000 posts.
From: Portland, OR
Registered: 10/19/2007
Posts: 1425

Re: How do you rate?

vbright105 wrote:

I can't find anything on my firefox.  I've downloaded extensions that have ended up...somewhere, but I don't know where...lol

Your Firefox extensions are under Tools > Addons > Extensions assuming you installed them from the site where you found them.

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#24 10/19/2008 4:40 pm

vbright105
Full fledged kraken (500+ posts)
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 706

Re: How do you rate?

MobyD wrote:

vbright105 wrote:

I can't find anything on my firefox.  I've downloaded extensions that have ended up...somewhere, but I don't know where...lol

Your Firefox extensions are under Tools > Addons > Extensions assuming you installed them from the site where you found them.

Hmm, nope, If I go to tools, then click addons, it takes me to the download list where I can delete them, but not use them

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#25 10/19/2008 5:29 pm

ThomasC
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Registered: 01/30/2008
Posts: 1107

Re: How do you rate?

Hey V, if you right click on your firefox toolbar and select create new folder, you can organize your links into folders! Works really well for me.

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